AWS does not allow real world airline names or logos to be used - and this is mentioned in the info/rules page where you create a new airline.
Seems that all people do not read the manual or other instructions so there are some airlines using real world names or logos. The system does have a filter to check the names but it is missing some airlines.
So if you find any airlines using the real world name or logo, report it here. And report also which game world it is.
AWS Game 1
Canadian Airlines (name and logo)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline403/
D Star (logo)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline541
Public #1:
"Taron"
Exact same/or like livery & logo as Tarom, the Romanian airline.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline543/
WTAWS #2
Astraeus Airways
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline307/
Using the original Astraeus logo, and very similar name.
you can use similar names however correct. Just btw can you use excticnt airlines names ie. swissair which went bankrupt years ago? I am assuming this policy is for legal reasons right.
Quote from: Meraki on January 27, 2009, 06:58:12 AM
AWS Game 1
Canadian Airlines (name and logo)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline403/
D Star (logo)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline541
Canadian Airlines was abosrbed by Air Canada years ago.... There is nothing wrong with using it.
So what exactly will happen to these airlines/players?
not sure you can even use busted airline names as more often than not someone still owns the name.
Game 1 - IndiGo
http://book.goindigo.in/skylights/cgi-bin/skylights.cgi
Game 3 -
S7 Airlines - http://www.s7.ru/
Fly South African - http://ww1.flysaa.com/ (logo)
Air Méditerranée - http://www.air-mediterranee.fr/
Game 3 - American Air Lines
Game #1 - North American Airlines
http://www.flynaa.com/
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline461
Does this rule also apply to alliance names and logos? *cough* star alliance *cough*
Game 3
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline449/
QuoteDoes this rule also apply to alliance names and logos? *cough* star alliance *cough*
As Sami has stated, as long as its not used "in game", forum use is not a problem.
Nice try though :)
Quote from: Kontio on February 04, 2009, 09:16:21 AM
Does this rule also apply to alliance names and logos? *cough* star alliance *cough*
And technically we are Red Star Alliance.
So technically you guys are not breaking any rules, you are just unimaginative. :P I stand corrected!
Quote from: Talentz on February 05, 2009, 07:11:19 AM
As Sami has stated, as long as its not used "in game", forum use is not a problem.
No? ...It's the same .. in the game, here @ forums, on the moon .. whatever, the trademarks are still valid.
Sami... so would you consider Red Star Alliance and Five Star Alliance trademark infringments?? Well... what about if someone opened a Qualiflyer (since this alliance is dead in real world) would it be considered too?
Quote from: digifreak on February 05, 2009, 01:10:54 PM
so would you consider Red Star Alliance and Five Star Alliance trademark infringments?
IMHO those are not a problem.
But if it resembles the real thing too closely it's a different thing (for example: EasyJet - EazyJet). But always hard to draw the line on this .. And would definitely not go into the admin pre-approval mode for the names, too slow.
Well... EZ Jet would do the trick! :p
But yeah... I guess that people will have to start to be more imaginative (actually I have a couple of names planned for the next game I play, even knowing that Britannia is a fairly general name).
And as for the alliances... well... time to start thinking some new names! :p
Game 3 -
Vbird (real world one is bankcrupt)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline315
VLM Airlines ( http://www.flyvlm.com/emc.asp )
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline476
Game 3 -
Alitalias
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline227/
Probably everyone knows the real world one... :D
The real world one is called alitalia!
The italian carrier? Is that what your on about? There going bust anyway LOL
Umm... Yes DJRobbie, Alitalia. Which by the way is not going bust. My point was that EVERYONE knows it's Alitalia as it's been on the news quite a lot. Thought you worked in the business as well?!?
Cheers! :)
The point i was making is the game airline is called Alitalias wich is pronounced completly different to Alitalia, althought there is only 1letter difference, because of the different pronounciations it would not stand up in court ;)
Robbie :)
I'm not sure what you mean that they would be pronounced so much differently? I'm genuinely interested to hear this. :)
But the pronunciation on the other hand doesn't matter as Sami stated earlier about using real world names & logos. The names are too close to each other.
/ BE
so...
In Game 3 a company Belavia:
http://www.belavia.by/index_en.htm
In Game 3 a company Sky Express:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_Express
These companys use 100% same name as in the real world!
Indigo (IndiGo in real world) by user lavence737
Game - 3
Dragon airlines
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline356/
http://www.dragonair.com/da/en_INTL/homepage
Game - 3
JetX
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline545
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetX_Airlines
Zoom Airways
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline206
www.flyzoom.com (bankcrupt - Zoom Airlines)
Come on guys, do try to be a little more creative.
/BE
Quote from: Big Ern on February 09, 2009, 07:17:37 PM
Game - 3
Dragon airlines
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline356/
http://www.dragonair.com/da/en_INTL/homepage
Actually, Dragonair's full name is
Hong Kong Dragon Airlines Limited. I don't see any problem with a user using Dragon Airlines.
Quote from: toyotaboy95 on February 10, 2009, 11:03:32 AM
Actually, Dragonair's full name is Hong Kong Dragon Airlines Limited. I don't see any problem with a user using Dragon Airlines.
Are you kidding? They obviously use the name Dragonair in their marketing, it says Dragonair on their livery, etc, so it really doesn't matter what the full name of the company is. OK, Dragonair vs. Dragon Airlines - it's not the same but if trademark infringement (or whatever the correct term is, I'm not a lawyer) is the issue here I would not take the risk.
And the logo my dear friends. :)
/BE
GAME - 2
Jetairfly
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline837
www.jetairfly.com
Hellenic Airways
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline537
www.hellenicairways.com/
Martin Air
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline728
http://www.martinair.com/
S8 Airlines (using the real S7 livery, www.s7.ru )
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline679
i think rude airline names should be added to the list here, p*** air game 3
Quote from: Big Ern on February 08, 2009, 09:51:37 AM
I'm not sure what you mean that they would be pronounced so much differently? I'm genuinely interested to hear this. :)
But the pronunciation on the other hand doesn't matter as Sami stated earlier about using real world names & logos. The names are too close to each other.
/ BE
Alitalia - AH-LIT-AR-LEE-AR
Alitalias - AH-LIT-TAR-LEE-ASS! < Excuse the swearing hehe.
These law suits are only to do with pronounciation..... to avoid confusion.... okay so i get a letter from Alitalia ther company name is on the letter i know who im dealing with.... there is zilch problemo!
Im driving to work..... i hear on the radio.... "Fly with EAZY JET for £1" (Pretending EAZY JET is another airline) so i go online to EASY JET and i dont see £1 fares :( but infact EAZY JET lets say is a new low cost airline.... if that makes sense.
EXAMPLE 2:
A radio station "ABSOLUTE" got sued by the vodka brand "ABSOLUT" "ABSOLUTE" is a very common word and pronounced differently "ABSOLUT" lossed the case on the basis it is pronounced differently ;D
Robbie
For SkyExpress I have a letter from real airline staff who gives me permission to use this name and logo for virtual aircompany.
If admin wants this letter, I can share it.
Quote from: alpet on February 11, 2009, 10:06:04 PM
For SkyExpress I have a letter from real airline staff who gives me permission to use this name and logo for virtual aircompany.
If admin wants this letter, I can share it.
Please let me know what admin say, i have easy access to a letter like that =]
Quote from: alpet on February 11, 2009, 10:06:04 PM
For SkyExpress I have a letter from real airline staff who gives me permission to use this name and logo for virtual aircompany.
If admin wants this letter, I can share it.
I am not a lawyer, but you can have a hundred letters from Santa Claus, you are not the one who is going to be sued if someone is. Sami is the owner of this game, which is probably not exactly a money-maker for him but a commercial game anyway since we are paying to play. Therefore a real-life airline could say that if its name and logo appear in the game, Sami is actually making money by using their intellectual property in an aviation-related business. The airline would probably demand that their name and logo be removed, but at least in theory they could also sue for damages.
On a related note, why is it so important to use real airline games in the game that you would actually obtain permission? What's wrong with a little originality?
Well Santa Clause aint real! but anyway....
I work in manegment for airline "X" so it would be no trouble for me to obtain at all! ;D
Robbie
If I was a manager of airline X, I would not sign documents giving away rights to my trademark or logo. However, since you work in the business, I'll take your word for this.
The dont sign there rights away as such.... all the do is allow person X to use the name in "Virtual Simulations" but can not be used for any other purpose.... and the only airline known not to allow rights to there name is Easy Jet,
Here look at these sites for MS Flight Simulator, Most are even indorsed by there parent airlines: ;D
http://www.bvair.com/ (http://www.bvair.com/) < Closed at the moment but is endorsed by British Airways
Well theres loads more, but ill leave you to google it. ;)
Robbie
Quote from: Robert Dibble on February 11, 2009, 10:00:07 PM
Alitalia - AH-LIT-AR-LEE-AR
Alitalias - AH-LIT-TAR-LEE-ASS! < Excuse the swearing hehe.
These law suits are only to do with pronounciation..... to avoid confusion.... okay so i get a letter from Alitalia ther company name is on the letter i know who im dealing with.... there is zilch problemo!
Im driving to work..... i hear on the radio.... "Fly with EAZY JET for £1" (Pretending EAZY JET is another airline) so i go online to EASY JET and i dont see £1 fares :( but infact EAZY JET lets say is a new low cost airline.... if that makes sense.
EXAMPLE 2:
A radio station "ABSOLUTE" got sued by the vodka brand "ABSOLUT" "ABSOLUTE" is a very common word and pronounced differently "ABSOLUT" lossed the case on the basis it is pronounced differently ;D
Robbie
Robbie. A fair try, but you're forgetting that not everybody pronunciates it in the english way. For example, if you'd be Italian, you'd not say it's that different. Subject settled. :)
Kontio, I feel absolutely the same way about the names. Why try with any real names, have some originality.
It is true that some companies do give permissions to use their colors just for a simple reason of extra marketing without a cost. BUT!!! Kontio has it right, anyone can forge a letter of approval. Just take the example the guy in Australia who forged his diplomas etc. and was working for Qantas as (can't remember correctly) some kind of a responsible mechanic. This is the life we're living in.
/BE
How about callsigns/flt# prefixes ? There is someone in the game #2 who is using RYR. It can be easily connected with Ryanair, airline using it is named Ryan Airways.
Three letters in some particular order is not a property to any airline. Unless it's a trademark like KLM .. or CIA, 3M or something like that. ;)
But anyway, the administration will issue notifications to the players having real airline names or logos. The rules will be also made more visible for future games.
i'm not sure if it's been mentioned already, but "Mercey Air" in game 1, as there is a helicopter company in africa or something using that name. it's also REALLY close to my airline's name: "Merseyair". ;)
Sami British European allowed?
Ive researched it and the legal name of that airline is now FlyBE.
Thanks
Robbie
Quote from: ICEcold on February 12, 2009, 09:23:43 PM
i'm not sure if it's been mentioned already, but "Mercey Air" in game 1, as there is a helicopter company in africa or something using that name. it's also REALLY close to my airline's name: "Merseyair". ;)
Its very different tough, because one is a word and the other is an actual place ;)
Hey your right? Surly British and Europe can be copyrighted? or the Government would be sued :o
Not only the Government but a whole load of other things :o
Maybe thats why there now called FlyBE :)
Robbie
CEO
Euro Jet - A very on its way to be bust airline!!! :-[
Quote from: Seattle on February 14, 2009, 09:41:28 PM
Its very different tough, because one is a word and the other is an actual place ;)
yes, but there is a "Mercy Air" in real life, which is my point. Also, I don't see Singapore Airlines being forced into bankruptcy because their name is a city.....geees! ;D
Hmmmm what about if i called it
Britsh The coutry European The continent Airways
:laugh:
Guys, you're talking about different things. Two are talking about Mercy/Merseyair and one about British European --> FlyBe.
Robbie, read the quote on the reply from Seattle...
:laugh: Oh yeah :laugh:
Oh well British European is not trademarked i checked =]
FlyBE used to be Jersey European, Never British European & British European closed in 1974 ;D
Robbie
Game - 3
Eurofly
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline387
http://www.meridiana.it/en/index.aspx
Game - 2
Phuket Air
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline968
http://www.phuketairlines.com/index.htm
Game - 2
Transaero
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline697
http://www.transaero.ru/en/index.html
Is any action even being taken against violating airlines? ??? I still see Indigo (by lavence737) operating and issuing continous press releases.
Game 3
Marquis Jet
http://www.marquisjet.com/index.aspx
While not a commercial airline, per se, they are a real entity providing private jet service.
Game #1, Ektihad, uses real logo and also Etihad ad.
game #1:gposey717
SkyBus(still hasn't been removed)
Game 1: premiair
Airline name: Ektihad
Reason: Almost real airline name, however look at his "advertisement" and logo:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1191
He even says that it's named after Etihad Airways in his press release:
https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,6346.0.html
Also, if you take a look at his profile, he has airlines named "América West (AWX)" in Game 2 & "City Jét (CJX)" in Game 3.
Cmon, can you really be that......................... nvm lol. ??? ???
Quote from: ICEcold on February 24, 2009, 01:31:56 AM
game #1:gposey717
SkyBus(still hasn't been removed)
Doesnt need to. Airline went Bk. No one owns the rights to the name any more (at least I dont think)
Dragon Airlines in Game 3 is using realworld Logo of Dragon Air which is actually the trading name of Dragon Airlines (Part of Swire Group)
Quote from: Seattle on February 25, 2009, 05:31:26 AM
Doesnt need to. Airline went Bk. No one owns the rights to the name any more (at least I dont think)
A quick browse through Wikipedia tells me that the founder of Skybus is planning a revival of the airline so I guess he owns the name. I'm still not a lawyer, but I don't see how bankruptcy would make the name and logo of any company free for anyone to use.
You really think thats going to happen anytime soon? ;)
I'm not sure why that would matter. I've never seen Sami say even once that it's okay to use a real world name so long as it's a non-flying airline. The rule just says no real-world airline names.
Quote from: Seattle on February 25, 2009, 05:31:26 AM
Doesnt need to. Airline went Bk. No one owns the rights to the name any more (at least I dont think)
Google it you can still book flights
Quote from: Seattle on February 26, 2009, 04:07:45 PM
You really think thats going to happen anytime soon? ;)
If you are asking do I think this is a good time to start a new airline, my answer is no. However, the downturn in economy does not change the ownership of the name.
Quote from: darthluke100 on February 26, 2009, 08:51:57 PM
Google it you can still book flights
Uhmmm.... No, you cant. Skybus went bankrupt over a year ago or almost over a year ago.
Nooooooooooo theres a new kid on the block.......
SkyBus flies again..... in a different continent http://www.skybus.co.uk/ :o
Robbie
Quote from: Big Ern on February 16, 2009, 12:08:22 PM
Game - 2
Phuket Air
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline968
http://www.phuketairlines.com/index.htm
haha hahah hahahah hahahah who the hell would fly an airline named PHUKET haha hahahahahah I hahah can't stop laughing hahaha is this a joike airline hahahahahahah
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: humpmeimapilot on March 02, 2009, 07:16:25 PM
haha hahah hahahah hahahah who the hell would fly an airline named PHUKET haha hahahahahah I hahah can't stop laughing hahaha is this a joike airline hahahahahahah
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Who the hell would call herself
humpmeimapilot?
One should perhaps expand his knowledge of the world just to see that there's such city in Thailand.
Not to mention..... it has very nice resorts ;D
but yah..... your name is rather *interesting*.......
AWS Game #1
Compass Airlines (Name)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline721/
Doesn't seem to be copying the real Compass Airlines, however, the name still might become a problem.
Game 2
American Airways
It's just a game. You don't make any money using any real world names and they don't lose any. Oh i get it, if the real world name goes bankrupt in the game we wouldn't fly the real world airline. In the words of John McEnroe, you can't be serious. Oh hell, he is going to sue me.
Quote from: demage on March 09, 2009, 08:54:37 AM
It's just a game. You don't make any money using any real world names and they don't lose any. Oh i get it, if the real world name goes bankrupt in the game we wouldn't fly the real world airline. In the words of John McEnroe, you can't be serious. Oh hell, he is going to sue me.
It is a game. A game has rules. The rules and terms of use of this game forbid the use of real world airline names. It is that simple.
You or I don't make any money from this game whether we use real world names or not. However, Sami makes some money from this. (Whether the game on the whole is profitable to him is another question and really none of our business.) When you run a business you have to be careful about things like this. Whether you think it is ridiculous does not really matter as you are in no danger of being harassed by lawyers of a major corporation.
It's like Kontio said. The real world airlines are trademarked and, if you profit by using them without permission, you'd get a hefty lawsuit.
Demage; why take the risk?!?
/BE
Game 1: West Air Sweden
Real airline: http://w3.westair.se/
There is a Freedom Airways in Game 1 i dont know if it could come into contact with recently absorbed airline Freedom Air which was a subsidy of Air New Zealand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Air
that airline shows how the big guys squeeze the little guys out...No more Kiwi Air
I have got premission to name my airline ONE WORLD WEST :D
Or West line I dunno
Game #3
Tiger Airways
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1022/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Airways
http://www.tigerairways.com/
Quote from: gman22 on March 20, 2009, 02:28:18 PM
There is a Freedom Airways in Game 1 i dont know if it could come into contact with recently absorbed airline Freedom Air which was a subsidy of Air New Zealand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Air
There is/was also a Freedom Airlines in the US, operating under Mesa and contracted to Delta Connection flying mostly ERJ-145's. I fueled them daily until Allegiant came to TRI flying MD-83's on the exact same route and forced them out with lower prices.
Further info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Airlines
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There is an Air Scotland in Game 3. That was/is a real airline.
Quote from: get13 on March 30, 2009, 08:30:56 PM
There is an Air Scotland in Game 3. That was/is a real airline.
its actually a trading name for greece airways but if sami doesnt approve i will change the name of my airline.
hi everyone,
what about if id pick a airline that went bankrupt in the 80's? doesnt exist anymore.
could i use its name?
carlos carlos
Is Britt Airways copywrited? I bet CO owns it
Air travel boom
LTU International
Eurofly
Nordic Airways
Norwegian Air - (Norwegian)
JAL skies - (JAL)
/BE
while you're browsing, could you post the usernames of their CEO's too at the same time?
Will do. :) Here are the ones I posted earlier
LTU International - Snoopy122
Eurofly - Speedmaster
Nordic Airways - Hapagfly
Norwegian Air - (Norwegian) - Scanbird
JAL skies - (JAL) - i.bank
Jet Age
Eurofly - Speedmaster
Royal Dutch Airlines - (KLM) - SulphurTX
Fly Me - (FlyMe) - taco
FlyB British European - (FlyBe) - cutchie
JAL Skies - i.bank
Quote from: Big Ern on April 19, 2009, 09:58:47 AM
Jet Age
FlyB British European - (FlyBe) - cutchie
That one should be acceptable.... Not really very related to just FlyBe.
Quote from: Seattle on April 19, 2009, 03:15:50 PM
That one should be acceptable.... Not really very related to just FlyBe.
Compare the logos... ;)
In Air Travel Boom
ezFly - cla (EasyFly)
Georgian Airways - miknash22
Midwest Connect - aircanada12
Skytaxi - mmikati
Air Travel Boom
Qatari - Val06
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline367
Logo taken from Qatar Airways
The "new" Air Travel Boom hosts:
Trans World Airlines - not sure about that, American bought them so they own the name rights I believe.
marcomanetti3 is the manager ;)
Besides, how boring to just copy the name... ::)
The jet age 2 Pan AM they are using logo and livery.
Air Travel Boom
AirNorway at Munich (dhgang03)
Real airline:
http://www.airnorway.no/
Quote from: JIMBORICHARDSON on April 25, 2009, 10:04:19 PM
The jet age 2 Pan AM they are using logo and livery.
As requested in an earlier post, the airline's CEO is Clipper. This one's kinda ironic since the realworld Pan American was in fact operating (and very prominent) during the timeframe covered by the current game...:(
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ATB - user cameron1991
Austrian Airways
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1117
It's Austrian Airlines in real world actually. ;)
ICAO code is the same... AUA, too much of for my taste... ;)
Pan Am is still trademarked
Is Ozark still trade marked? I remember some airline using it in 1999 flying 328Jets from COU.
Names like
Ozark
Piedmont
Allegheny
Southern
are tough cuz they are regions and many companies use those names
yeah, US airways express uses the "piedmont" callsign, and I *think* there's an airline in Spain using the "southern" name...or it might be a fake airline that i made up.. ::)
Well Piedmont might be a US Express call sign, but it is also a region in the USA. Piedmont Hospital, Piedmont Road, Piedmont Electric etc are all names used in the SE USA. Ditto Ozark if you live in AR or MO. Allegheny in PA. I think these names are tough to ban.
Quote from: ekaneti on May 28, 2009, 01:16:17 AM
Well Piedmont might be a US Express call sign, but it is also a region in the USA. Piedmont Hospital, Piedmont Road, Piedmont Electric etc are all names used in the SE USA. Ditto Ozark if you live in AR or MO. Allegheny in PA. I think these names are tough to ban.
I don't think it's that simple. Piedmont may well be a region in USA and because of that you can't trademark "Piedmont" but you may be able to trademark "Piedmont Airlines". Let's say you started an airline and wanted to call it "American Airlines" - it's an airline and it's American, both very general concepts - but American Airlines has already trademarked (?) the name "American Airlines" for use in the airline business. Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer and this was basically just hand waving. :P
Anyway, why is it so important to try and use real-life or almost real-life airline names in the game when Sami clearly does not want that to happen? Just use your imagination!
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline130/
too similar to the real FlyBE?
Air Travel Boom Jet America (JET) by SouthSky.
Jet America isn't a real airline. ;)
Well, it WAS a real airline (with MD80s and everything)... And is about to be again. The guy that ran Skybus is starting up another airline, and sure enough, it's going to be called "Jet America."
::)
(Look it up! Google it! Yahoo it! True story!)
http://www.jetamerica.com/ (http://www.jetamerica.com/)
toyotaboy... get over it man. It was started AFTER I registered.
Why should I suffer because of that? Tell me toyotaboy...
Quote from: Southsky on May 31, 2009, 01:42:54 AM
toyotaboy... get over it man. It was started AFTER I registered.
Why should I suffer because of that? Tell me toyotaboy...
Because they assuredly own the rights to the name. Unless you filed a trademark registration, the fact that you used it first doesn't usually mean a whole lot in the world of business. Though the case likely wouldn't stick since you DID use it first and this IS just a game vs reality, sami has his rules for a reason -- he doesn't even want an airline or overzealous lawyer to get a
sniff of any wrongdoing.
Besides, the airline you're referring to is "JetAmerica" that started just recently. "Jet America" (note the space) is not a new airline and has existed for some time. "Jet America" was also the name of an old, now-gone airline whose names you
also cannot use.
So you can't hang your hat on the fact that "JetAmerica" is new. The name violates every rule on what names you can and cannot use in the game.
Sami has assured me prior to this that old, defunct airlines could be used. (I asked about using Northeastern Airlines before on the last game and got the okay)
Why must the policy shift now, sigma?
Quote from: Southsky on May 31, 2009, 02:14:02 AM
Sami has assured me prior to this that old, defunct airlines could be used. (I asked about using Northeastern Airlines before on the last game and got the okay)
Why must the policy shift now, sigma?
Well if he's told you that you can, then there's certainly no problem then is there! It's his game. :D
It was always my understanding that that wasn't the case. But if he says so, he says so.
Quote from: Sigma on May 31, 2009, 02:15:23 AM
Well if he's told you that you can, then there's certainly no problem then is there! It's his game. :D
It was always my understanding that that wasn't the case. But if he says so, he says so.
I got ya ;)
But, if he has in fact changed his feelings on that I would be more than happy to work it out. I'm just a little peeved about toyotaboy being overzealous about this. Especially with me being active enough to where he could message me about it before tattling on here.
Quote from: Southsky on May 31, 2009, 02:18:55 AM
I got ya ;)
But, if he has in fact changed his feelings on that I would be more than happy to work it out. I'm just a little peeved about toyotaboy being overzealous about this. Especially with me being active enough to where he could message me about it before tattling on here.
:P ...im not overzealous..just tryin to enforce the rule ;)
Quote from: Southsky on May 31, 2009, 02:18:55 AM
But, if he has in fact changed his feelings on that I would be more than happy to work it out. I'm just a little peeved about toyotaboy being overzealous about this. Especially with me being active enough to where he could message me about it before tattling on here.
He wasn't "tattling", users are required to post here airlines that they find in violation of that rule. If you've worked something out with Sami, it's not like he knows about this.
Quote from: toyotaboy95 on May 31, 2009, 03:40:54 AM
:P ...im not overzealous..just tryin to enforce the rule ;)
No problem man... just p***ed that the Skybus guy decided to run another airline into the ground. ;D
Quote from: jagalubnan on May 31, 2009, 04:10:53 AM
He wasn't "tattling", users are required to post here airlines that they find in violation of that rule. If you've worked something out with Sami, it's not like he knows about this.
cool beans
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I'm just a little p***ed that a restarted real life airline could reset an airline into which I've poured hours of work.
^ u dun need to start all over again. just tell sami the problem (in this case, airline name) and he should be able to change the airline name for you, free of charge and without doing anything to ur fleet/company image etc., since it isn't ur fault for having the same name.
IMHO there's no need to rebrand the Jet America airline here .. as he didn't know about that startup which was just launched. My opinion is that play this game till it's end and then use another name in next games.
They're only Americans... what's the worst they could do to you? Sue you and throw huge Whopper menu's at you? *yawn*
Usually it comes in the form of a Cease & Desist letter and/or email. Then Sami would have a hissy fit.
Quote from: bigdogshark62 on May 30, 2009, 10:28:43 PM
Well, it WAS a real airline (with MD80s and everything)... And is about to be again. The guy that ran Skybus is starting up another airline, and sure enough, it's going to be called "Jet America."
::)
(Look it up! Google it! Yahoo it! True story!)
The fact that ex-SkyBus is able to use the name again shows the name Jet America wasnt trademarked and not owned by Alaska who bought the original Jet America in 1986. What matters is whether or not the name is a trademark
Quote from: Dasha on May 31, 2009, 10:32:58 AM
They're only Americans... what's the worst they could do to you? Sue you and throw huge Whopper menu's at you? *yawn*
I guess the worst thing Americans could do is to get mail-order Russian brides. Who would then become addicted to Whoppers
QuoteThe fact that ex-SkyBus is able to use the name again shows the name Jet America wasnt trademarked and not owned by Alaska who bought the original Jet America in 1986. What matters is whether or not the name is a trademark
Okay, according to Trademark law as I read it, trademarks prior to November 1989 are valid for 20 years (after 11/89, it's 10 years). So it's likely that Alaska DID own the trademark, but let it lapse as it made no sense to renew it at the time.
I guess this is a good rule of thumb if you want to use the name of an airline that used to exist in the real world. If the airline went under more than 20 years ago, then you SHOULD be okay (unless the airline that takes them over keeps the name running, like US Airways with Piedmont, PSA, etc.; that's the gray area).
QuoteThey're only Americans... what's the worst they could do to you? Sue you and throw huge Whopper menu's at you? *yawn*
Watch out, or I'll spill piping hot McDonalds coffee on you. I hear it hurts, a lot... ;)
Sami doesn't seem too worried about it and he shouldn't. It would be hard for a law firm protecting any mark to make the case that the use of the mark on this website is causing dilution and confusion. Completely different trade channels, obviously this site is not a real airline, etc, etc.
Quote from: bigdogshark62 on May 31, 2009, 02:43:40 PM
Okay, according to Trademark law as I read it, trademarks prior to November 1989 are valid for 20 years (after 11/89, it's 10 years). So it's likely that Alaska DID own the trademark, but let it lapse as it made no sense to renew it at the time.
I guess this is a good rule of thumb if you want to use the name of an airline that used to exist in the real world. If the airline went under more than 20 years ago, then you SHOULD be okay (unless the airline that takes them over keeps the name running, like US Airways with Piedmont, PSA, etc.; that's the gray area).
Watch out, or I'll spill piping hot McDonalds coffee on you. I hear it hurts, a lot... ;)
WOW!!! So that means the guy using Eastern Airlines is ok. Ozark would be interesting since in 1999 or so a "new" Ozark was formed flying Dornier 328 Jets
Quote from: Seattle on January 31, 2009, 04:46:26 AM
Canadian Airlines was abosrbed by Air Canada years ago.... There is nothing wrong with using it.
That was my airline and my reasoning. Thanks Seattle!!
I was wondering.
Here in Denmark and Scandinavia, we had an Airline called Sterling, but i got broke, but got bought by Cimber Air, so now it ended up in a Fusion called Cimber Air - Sterling, does it still violate the rules or what?
Sincerly
Mr.Freak
Its still a question if that is a trademark or not. And Sterling still is..
CITYJET has just started up an airline on here.
They are an Irish airline in reality.
Please Delete
ATB - Aviapartner. Not an airline, but baggage/cargo handler. He is using both the name and logo. http://www.aviapartner.aero/eng/ and https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1159/
Is Freedom Airline trademarked? i googled it and i couldnt find the airline currently. It looked like it existed 5-10 years ago.
Well if a simple Google search doesn't give you anything, you shouldn't be worried...
Quote from: shadoweye on June 12, 2009, 03:16:24 PM
Is Freedom Airline trademarked? i googled it and i couldnt find the airline currently. It looked like it existed 5-10 years ago.
Ah, good ol' Freedom Air, a subsidiary of Air NZ... Flew them a couple times from AKL to CHC. Good stuff.
As for right now, Freedom Airlines is a real airline, a subsidiary of Mesa Air, and currently doing business as Delta Connection:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Airlines
Don't know how long they'll be around, though.
hey sami is there a way to change my airlines name so i dont get deleted.
Hi!
I just saw today that a new airline in Copenhagen is called Maersk! Well, Maersk is still a company, so this is wrong right?
http://www.maersk.com/da/Pages/Welcome.aspx (http://www.maersk.com/da/Pages/Welcome.aspx)
aero mexico based in Monterrey (MMMY/MTY) in Air Travel Boom.
http://airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1968
I think we all know the real airline, Aeromexico.
1. Russian Air Lines by Tim (JA1) - Same exact logo as Aeroflot (with the name altered)
(https://www.airwaysim.com/game/img/airlines/logo18_922.jpg)
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F0%2F0b%2FAeroflot_logo.png%2F120px-Aeroflot_logo.png&hash=798c604712aebb5811af39f2f9aa6e8b85c670d8)
2. Vietnam Airlines by NIK (ATB).
In my defence my Vietnam Airways its not named after, based on or shares any logo/colours of Vietnam Airlines. I didn't even remember about them when i named it. I just have no imagination ;)
Quote from: toyotaboy95 on June 23, 2009, 02:26:14 AM
1. Russian Air Lines by Tim (JA1) - Same exact logo as Aeroflot (with the name altered)
(https://www.airwaysim.com/game/img/airlines/logo18_922.jpg)
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2F0%2F0b%2FAeroflot_logo.png%2F120px-Aeroflot_logo.png&hash=798c604712aebb5811af39f2f9aa6e8b85c670d8)
2. Vietnam Airlines by NIK (ATB).
The logo indeed is not very creative but the logo as a whole is allowed. Aeroflot copyrighted the logo as you put it on and in normal Latin script. So I guess using the hammer and sickle and the flag is allowed. They also copyrighted the Logo in combination with the slogan 'Sincerely yours," so again that one is allowed to be used seperated from the logo.
There is also XL Airways France
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline930
http://www.xlairways.fr/fr/
Found that there are IBERIAs in Jet Age 1. And it's based in madrid
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline944 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline944)
That sounds too similar to IBERIA
http://www.iberia.com/ (http://www.iberia.com/)
Don't know if this counts but ROYAL CHANG, i guess most of you should know him ;), has the logo of a Thai beer company. I was in the supermarket the other day and I saw Chang Beer. Then BANG, i recalled Royal Chang. wow, how uncreative.....He basically altered the logo by removing "Beer".
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.privatjokr.com%2Fmedia%2Fblogs%2Ffood_and_drink%2Fbeer_chang.jpg&hash=0369b5c2834c677e0c0e01cee51b5c0eedb00ae8)
(https://www.airwaysim.com/game/img/airlines/logo22_33.jpg)
www.changbeer.com
I like the beer logo better
In ATB #2
Airline Information TransWorld Airways
Player cjb476
Airline 3-letter code TWA
Logo from the real TWA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_World_Airlines)
i reported the royal british airways in ATB 2 to sami - which its really a british airways which already existed
here - https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline280
and also nearly simllar name = https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline594 = British Firways
reference for those names which simllar names = http://www.britishairways.com/travel/home/public/en_gb
Really don't see the first one as bad one but the second will be gone.
Quote from: sami on August 05, 2009, 06:09:47 PM
Really don't see the first one as bad one but the second will be gone.
if you remove royal from that name - its still refers to real name
and also that logo looks like logo that appeared on british airway planes which had UK flag attached to tail
see here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BA_747_BKK.jpg - present logo which airlines carry now
plus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Planes_Hawker_siddeley_Trident_3b.jpg - see the tail logo - this one is older one
The logo is not even close to a logo of the current airline nor their livery. It's the British flag on the airline's logo...
And since it contains the name of the nation / country it is not the same thing like "Royal Easyjet" in my mind.
Quote from: sami on August 05, 2009, 06:19:07 PM
The logo is not even close to a logo of the current airline nor their livery. It's the British flag on the airline's logo...
And since it contains the name of the nation / country it is not the same thing like "Royal Easyjet" in my mind.
ahhh i understand - thanks for clear info
i just came across in one forum = ATB2 - i think - the sliverjet - which ceased in 2008 = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverjet
wouldn't see that as a problem either as company was only alive 2 years and had planes and is defuct already.
Quote from: sami on August 06, 2009, 09:55:21 PM
wouldn't see that as a problem either as company was only alive 2 years and had planes and is defuct already.
oh that's different from live ones - correct?
Pretty sure the former CEO/founders would say differently, sami. Don't want you getting into trouble.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline507
Also, the ExcellAir alliance ( https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Alliance/View/2/ ) is using the XL.com logo, which is still being used by the company: http://www.xl.com/
And this one: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline204
16x16 pixel logo of letters XL in blue color ... I can make that in 1 minute.
:-\
It's quite clearly just the logo from that website resized. You can even see the .com part on the blue L if you look closely.
So we can use somes old name of short lived company such as
For Belgium
- VG Airlines,
- Constellation,
- Brussels Intl Airlines,
- CityBird,
- Birdy Airlines
For France
- FlyEco
- Air Bourbon
- Air Turquoise
- Aeris
???
Just a general remark with regard to Silverjet: Names are protected way beyond insolvency, as their registration was paid once and can be prolonged later. When a company goes into bankruptcy proceedings and is liquidated, the Inc. remains in the registry as well as the asset (to which a name would be counted). Please don't get me wrong, I personally do not see it as a big problem that anybody would mind about, but from the legal standpoint, sami is running a business and hence acts as a business man with all obligations and consequences, so let's make it easy and just get your creativity a little up. Your planes will not make more money because you are using a name that comes close to one in real life.
Denis
i agree - if its protected - then the real names in game should be disallowed - because its would land in hot water - best is enforce it to stop real names appearing - only old airlines names that wiped off from protected list can be used
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline63 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline63)
airline using "Luftansa Italia". BW.
http://konzern.lufthansa.com/en/html/ueber_uns/lufthansa-italia/ (http://konzern.lufthansa.com/en/html/ueber_uns/lufthansa-italia/)
There is no way telling if a defunct airline is still a trademark or not.. Or? But still it is each user's responsibility to pick a name that is not property of someone else, and that is stated at the page where you create the airline.
The hansa is clearly against the rules. A notification is sent but I am still graful and allowing 2 days time to respond. But I am shortly starting to close these right away if they are this clear. As you simply cannot miss the text.
One could enquire at the trademark offices. I think there is a digital one already for the US and the EU. But I am not sure if one can apply these cost free.
I think for your purpose, the easiest way is to warn the concerned players several times as soon as you take knowledge of the potential violation and offer them to rebrand. If they do not co-operate within, say, 7 days, you could put their accounts on hold with the info that they are required to contact the admin when they login. If they do not contact you, you just close the airline, but leave the account. You should be able to see the logins in the logs, so you can tell when somebody is aware of it and not. As long as you have 2-3 cases per week, the work load should be manageable.
Just an idea.
Denis
By the way: FinJet in Helsinki... ATB2 :-\
Denis
3 on BW.
1st: Astra Jet. Anyone who lives in Greece knows that there is an Astra Airlines. (it's close enough, right?)
2nd: Czech Airways. Come on. Airlines to Airways? little more creativity....please?!?! Based out of Prague too.
3rd: GoJet. THIS STUPID AIRLINE PUSHED ALOHA OUT OF HAWAII!!! (sorry sami for yelling, but I liked Aloha and GoJet took that airline to...heaven?)
links to airlines in RL, followed by the aws BW airline. In that order.
http://www.astra-airlines.gr/frontend/index.php (http://www.astra-airlines.gr/frontend/index.php)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline32 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline32)
http://www.czechairlines.com/en/worldwide/portal_intropage.htm (http://www.czechairlines.com/en/worldwide/portal_intropage.htm)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline107 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline107)
http://www.gojetairlines.com/ (http://www.gojetairlines.com/)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline129 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline129)
I just found this one, don't know if it counts though. S9 Airlines in DME (BW). A bit close to S7 Airlines, don't you think?
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline64 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline64)
http://www.s7.ru/en/ (http://www.s7.ru/en/)
Also another close one, Air Shanghai in SHA (BW). name kinda resembles "Shanghai Airlines".
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline31 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline31)
http://www.shanghai-air.com/salnewweb-en/index.aspx (http://www.shanghai-air.com/salnewweb-en/index.aspx)
Also, another airline, Air Arabia in RUH (BW). name is exactly the same as the real one.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline187 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline187)
http://www.airarabia.com/ (http://www.airarabia.com/)
Quote from: ICEcold on August 08, 2009, 02:19:51 AM
I just found this one, don't know if it counts though. S9 Airlines in DME (BW). A bit close to S7 Airlines, don't you think?
Also another close one, Air Shanghai in SHA (BW). name kinda resembles "Shanghai Airlines".
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Youre being way way too nit picky. "Kinda" isnt good enough. There is no name resemblence between Air Shanghai and Shanghai Airlines.
If your going to RAT on other players make sure you have a strong case.
Just to satisfy your "needs" let's call them, I was talking to sami, as he's the admin, not you, and he makes the decisions. I'm not trying to "RAT" out other players, I'm keeping sami "out of trouble". This is an actual legal business so he has to follow all copyright laws which are exactly the same all over the world. Also, I brought up Air Shanghai just as a quiz for myself (kinda selfish) to see if we are allowed airline names such as "Air Japan" or something of that nature. So, unless you have a legidiment reason to be making the choices for sami, I suggest you go to the library and read the wonderful book called "LAW". >:(
The rules are presented to each player and he is solely responsible for the name choice. The administration will enforce the rules by closing the airlines offending the rules, but you are already way out of line here. So stop lecturing other users like that...
* Astra Jet - allowed. Completely different.
* Czech Airways - pretty close but I will allow as it's not the same as the real and it has the nationality name which is not a trademark. Like the previously discussed Royal British Airlines.
* S9 - Just a number and a letter. Not the same as the real one.
* Air Shangai vs. Shanghai Airlines - can you see the difference? Completely allowed.
* Air Arabia - player notified.
Yeah, unless it's pretty obviously the same as the real one, it is just nitpicking.
Hehe let me tell you an inside secret about S7. The brandname S7 Airlines is NOT registered. S7 is officially still called Sibir Airlines S7
So even if you wanted to use S7, you are legally allowed to.
Although I wouldn't know why anybody would want their airline to look like S7... but that's my personal opinion...
Grolsch OnAir in Beginner's World, based at Amsterdam.
Grolsch is a mayor brewer in Holland and Europe... copyrighted name or trademark...
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline102 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline102)
http://www.grolsch.com/ (http://www.grolsch.com/)
Air France Europa in the beginners world.
Can an in-game airline use the "Air France" part as part of a name?
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline244 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline244)
No, it can't.
I found a few in BW.
There is a "Sky Airlines" https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline207
That's very close to the real Sky Airline: https://www.skyairline.cl/default.aspx
Also, "Air Arabia" https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline187
IRL: http://www.airarabia.com/
And "GoJet" https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline129
IRL: http://www.gojetairlines.com/
Not sure what you think, but:
RioSul - Rio de Janeiro (SBGL), ATB#2
RioSul was merged into Varig in 2003, which has been bought and bought again. As far as I've read so far, Gol still owns the name, although they don't appear to have any thought of bringing it back.
Is allowed to name airline by some real-world alliance? Because we have Sky Team Airlines in BW..
Singapur Airlines in SIN in BW, (I think you know which Airline i'm refering to in RL)
Singapur is a completely different name than Singapore..
Really I think quite a few people have made it a complete manhunt to 'bad names'.
You can refer to any airline you want just not have the SAME name. Singapur Airlines is NOT a registered brand and should just be allowed. There is no reason not to accept it.
What do you think about Rocky Mountain Airlines? It's my own airline in the game (Jet3), but I just found out when I googled, that there was an airline called Rocky Mountain Airways in 1970s-1980s, but the name dissapeared when the airline merged with Texas Air.
There's a big differance between Airlines and Airways ;)
There is no problem wiht using bankrupt or meged airlines as they no longer hold the copyrights for the name unless the name is still in the airlines current name etc.
Airtours is being used in ATB2 - even using their real world Livery - I know of the chap that owns that airline and he wont be happy bunny - unless of course its him running it!
Airtours...
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline974
Quote from: Jules on August 19, 2009, 06:47:04 PM
There is no problem wiht using bankrupt or meged airlines as they no longer hold the copyrights for the name unless the name is still in the airlines current name etc.
Actually, I think you'll find that the administrators of a bankrupt airline or parent company of the merged airline still holds the copyright for the name. It doesn't just cease to exist.
Quote from: Maarten Otto on August 19, 2009, 06:39:20 PM
There's a big differance between Airlines and Airways ;)
It's same difference as f.e. EasyJet and EazyJet.. And that's forbidden.
(removed a few messages from here)
No "picture replies" thank you.
good thing sami!! :)
For Jona L.:
Stop Snitchin' refers to a controversial campaign derived from an older commonly used slang expression of the same name and meaning. The campaign was launched in Baltimore, USA to persuade criminal informants to stop "snitching," or informing, to law enforcement. Some public officials and others say that it is a campaign used by criminals to frighten people with information from reporting their activities to the police.
It became mainstream in the hip hop community as many rappers express support for this method. It specifically refers to a Baltimore-based home-made DVD that threatened violence against would-be informants.
For both of you:
A joke is a short story or ironic depiction of a situation communicated with the intent of being humorous. These jokes will normally have a punchline that will end the sentence to make it humorous. A joke can also be a single phrase or statement that employs sarcasm.
Sarcasm is a form of humor that uses sharp, cutting remarks or language intended to mock, wound, or subject to contempt or ridicule.
Quote from: clee899 on August 24, 2009, 05:21:20 PMSarcasm is a form of humor that uses sharp, cutting remarks or language intended to mock, wound, or subject to contempt or ridicule.
So I suppose you failed at "sharp" and "cutting".
EuroJet ATB2.
In Beginners World, Universal Japan Airline is using the logo of Universal Studios
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1258 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1258)
Aerosvit
the guy that started singapur changed the name to Singapor. He even uses the "SIA" code.
link:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline387 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline387)
What about jetOrange? Orange is a worldwide known mobile phone operator owned by France Telecom.
Same colour and font as the Orange brand.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline296
Different logo, livery and country but exact same name..
Pacific Blue JA3 https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline379/
Real world http://www.pacificblue.com.au/
That would be me...my bad, I had no idea there was a Pacific Blue in Australia (or anywhere, for that matter). Sami or anyone who knows: Is there a way to fix this without spending the money on rebranding, and taking the hit on CI??
Thanks!
That rule can be abit of a pain can't it :) theres always an airline on the otherside of the globe with the same name youve just thought of
PM me the new name and 3-letter code..
What about Sky Airlines in Beginner's World? There is already a Sky Airlines who is a charter airline in Turkey?
For the record, since I was asked about this already.. the "Bucky Badger" logo on my plane IS a PUBLIC logo for Wisconsin.. I hope that answers any concerns.
2 airlines:
Palmair in London/Gatwick (The Palmair brand is still used by Astraeus Airlines)
Sky Airlines in Algeria (Sky Airlines is a Turkish charter-airline)
and this is in Beginner's World ;)
Air Asia X in the ATB2 game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirAsia_X
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1634
Ive noticed Airtours International who are now Thomas cook.
They are also useing the airtours logo.
Its in AB2
Thanks
JetBlue in ATB2 :o
Mexicana airlines, with exact same logo in the new game : the modern time...
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline204
Mexicana Airlines in The Modern Times #1 (player Armando)
Quote from: Yullover on September 19, 2009, 07:14:15 PM
Mexicana airlines, with exact same logo in the new game : the modern time...
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline204
Why on earth have you linked to western? That airline is now part of Delta and not operating - so no issues with that airline.
JetStar Airlines here in Modern Times: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline284
Real airline in 'JetStar Airways'...not sure if that makes it ok or not!
Right...
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline170/
I know that theoretically this is legal but come one.... United Airways with the KLM logo???
Surely there are some rules for the logo and color? I can live with the name but this logo is just...
sigh...
I'm rambling.. see what you do with it :)
Dasha
United Airways using a name very similar to the real world United Airlines, and using part of the KLM logo
Dutch Airlines, again using part of the KLM logo
^^ both in The Modern Times #1 ^^
Also in The Modern Times #1:
StarFlyer in Tokyo
Quote from: ukatlantic on September 19, 2009, 09:19:37 PM
Why on earth have you linked to western? That airline is now part of Delta and not operating - so no issues with that airline.
when i click on the link, it's show the Mexicana airlines !!! not western, maybe is depend of the game your login in !!
Quote from: Dasha on September 20, 2009, 09:58:11 AM
with the KLM logo???
That isn't a KLM logo. It's a bit similar yes, but not their logo.
No it isn't but I'm pretty sure an airline as KLM has this covered somehow... :)
Norwegian Air Shuttle ASA (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline95) & Air Norway (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline85) in Modern Times #1 are both real world airlines
Not sure why there are still Swiss International Airways in Jet Age 3 - it's the same name as LX uses.
White - Coloured by you is the name of an airline located in Portugal, based in LPPT Lisbon
The name and logo of this airline can be found in game "Airtravel Boom#2"
Real life website is: http://www.flywhite.eu/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline335
Very similar to British Airways
Easy fix:
New Dawn Airline
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline429/
Using logo from NBA team in Boston in livery.
Still can't see why I couldn't call my airline Dr Pepper :'(
Talentz
Quote from: swiftus27 on September 25, 2009, 05:57:50 PM
Easy fix:
New Dawn Airline
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline429/
Using logo from NBA team in Boston in livery.
Is there a rule from using a small, non-airline based logo such as that within his livery? He is based in Boston - the logo could be considered role-play, to an extent...
Seriously? You can not use a trademarked logo from an airline on a plane. You think that it's okay if its an RP element? Hardly. We can't use them, period.
The difference between a privately owned sports team's logo and an airlines is nothing. A TM is a TM
Quote from: swiftus27 on September 25, 2009, 05:57:50 PM
Using logo from NBA team in Boston in livery.
Don't know of these, I'm from Europe.. :P A link / comparison?
Quote from: Benhuddy on September 25, 2009, 08:00:57 AM
Very similar to British Airways
Yes, quite .. But still different I'd say.
Can't believe you haven't heard of the Boston Celtics. Larry Bird?
http://www.nba.com/celtics/
Larry who? ;D
Quote from: sami on September 26, 2009, 08:12:23 AM
Don't know of these, I'm from Europe..
Aaanyway.. I've PM'ed the owner. Of the airline .. not Celtics...
Thai Airways International
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline618
Edelweiss in the modern times
Edelweiss, in wich relation you see the problem??
I don't know this except for the flower(or was it a color|ah... I know It is the name of an german company producing colors, wasn't it??)!!!
Jona L.
The Modern Times #1
Palmair is a real airline operating out of Bournemouth International Airport UK
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline306
Quote from: Jona L. on September 28, 2009, 01:28:18 PM
Edelweiss, in wich relation you see the problem??
I don't know this except for the flower(or was it a color|ah... I know It is the name of an german company producing colors, wasn't it??)!!!
Jona L.
It's an airline also...
http://www.edelweissair.ch
The Modern Times #1
-JetStar Airlines (JSA)
Relates to Jet Star - Qanta's budget airline.
Quote from: ban2 on October 03, 2009, 07:55:46 PM
The Modern Times #1
Palmair is a real airline operating out of Bournemouth International Airport UK
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline306
It's true http://www.palmair.co.uk/ (http://www.palmair.co.uk/)
Well maybe a bit of a longshot but..
SvitAvia... AviaSvit ??
http://www.aviasvit.com.ua/
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline198 (in the modern times)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarFlyer
totally copied whole name and it's logo.
Germania in Modern times https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline630/ and Germania in real life http://www.flygermania.de/gmi/
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline158/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline158/) in BW#2
Trans World Airlines, I think everyone knows them, using (nearly) the same Name, same Logo, and copied livery!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_World_Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_World_Airlines)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline483 "MEXICANA DE AVIACION" at Modern Times. Exact same name as Mexico's largest airline in real life...
QantasLink AirwaySim https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1127
QantasLink Real Life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QantasLink www.qantas.com
Air Mauritius in TMT#1
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1283 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1283)
Air Norway in The Modern Times!1
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline85
http://www.airnorway.no/frontpage.jsp?menuId=100
Pan American Airways (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline171)
We should mostly know PAN AM (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_American_World_Airways)! (Lockerbie for exaple)
he is using similar name, and same IATA code for the Airline (PAA)
Beginners World #3!
CanJet https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline428/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline428/)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline329/
he is using Scandanavian Airways System basically the same as the Scandinvian Airlines System!!!
edit: in beginners world 3
beginner's world #3
Qatar Airweys - https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline127
Real-world Qatar Airways - http://www.qatarairways.com
Allegheny Airlines; (now US Airways)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline165
He uses him self as Allegheny Air
That's ceased in 1979, not sure if it's a trademark anymore?
I think it might be
I remember reading something that like US airway's is going to come out with planes with all their old names/livery's
Under USAir, which again rebranded itself as US Airways after a series of notable aircraft accidents[citation needed], the Allegheny name continued to be used by the US Airways parent company, keeping the trademark under US Airways' control. That Allegheny division was headquartered in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and primarily flew De Havilland Canada Dash 8 turboprop aircraft serving 35 destinations in the northeastern United States, and eventually Canada, from hubs at Boston and Philadelphia. Its activities and Dash 8 fleet were incorporated into Piedmont Airlines in 2004 to consolidate operations and costs.
it still is
the Allegheny name continued to be used by the US Airways parent company, keeping the trademark under US Airways' control
Quote from: Jona L. on November 08, 2009, 10:06:04 PM
Pan American Airways (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline171)
We should mostly know PAN AM (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_American_World_Airways)! (Lockerbie for exaple)
he is using similar name, and same IATA code for the Airline (PAA)
Beginners World #3!
Im not sure who owns the Pan Am name now or Pan American or Panagra for that matter. I think Pan Am is owned by a railroad. Pan American and Panagra might be ok
Sami mentioned something about airlines that went under more than 20 years ago being ok. Something to do with copywrite law.
Quote from: ekaneti on November 22, 2009, 04:30:32 PM
Sami mentioned something about airlines that went under more than 20 years ago being ok. Something to do with copywrite law.
No ... It is all about is it still a trademark or not.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline411
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryukyu_Air_Commuter
Same thing but this one's not a commuter airline...
Wizzair
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline277/
Dawn of the millenium
Honestly Sami I do not understand the big deal with using names of real airlines in a "game"? These airlines in the game are not real! More importantly they are not trying to profit from the name and are in no way competing with the actual airlines. Based on my knowledge of US law and experience as someone who that has filed a law suit against someone for trademark infringement, I see no basis for legal concern at all. Just look around at the thousands of virtual airlines that use the exact name and even variations of actual logos. I personally have not ever heard of one case of an airline try to sue anyone for using their name.
short answer from my cell on those virtual airlines.. I know several cases where the Va has been closed due to this. And others are probably smart to ask permission.:)
British Overseas Airways
In Game: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline498 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline498)
In real Life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Airways_Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Airways_Corporation)
Midwest Express
In Game: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2071/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2071/)
In Real Life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest_Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest_Airlines)
Quote from: 737Capt on November 25, 2009, 06:09:38 PM
Honestly Sami I do not understand the big deal with using names of real airlines in a "game"? These airlines in the game are not real! More importantly they are not trying to profit from the name and are in no way competing with the actual airlines. Based on my knowledge of US law and experience as someone who that has filed a law suit against someone for trademark infringement, I see no basis for legal concern at all. Just look around at the thousands of virtual airlines that use the exact name and even variations of actual logos. I personally have not ever heard of one case of an airline try to sue anyone for using their name.
Well, this is the rule that everyone playing this game accepts when they create an airline, so why complain? If you can't accept the rules, then don't play the game.
Federal Express in dawn of the new millenium.
Game: Rise of the Modern Airliners
In Game: JetConnect (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline620)
In RW:
- Indian Low-Fare Airline - Jet Konnect ... a subsidiary of Jet Airways (http://www.jetairways.com/en/IN/?gclid=CK35wtqd0Z4CFYIvpAodIUh_rQ)
- Australian Low-Budget Airline - Jetconnect ... Quantas subsidiary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jetconnect) (No Separate web page
Canadair at MT#1.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2163
It's an aircraft, but I suppose it's also copyrighted.
Canajet (Like the real CanJet Airlines) https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline193/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline193/) (Dawn of the Millennium)
Real Life: http://www.canjet.com/en_home.aspx (http://www.canjet.com/en_home.aspx)
Not sure about this one, Sabah Turkish Airlines, https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline208/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline208/) (Also Dawn of the Millennium)
Game: Dawn of the Millennium
Airline: Pan American World Airways: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline209
Airline is using Logo and name of Pan Am
But i don't know if it matters, cause the real airline doesn't exist anymore
Aerolyon in ...Lyon
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2744/
This subsidiary of Corsair (TUI Group) went bankrupt 8 years ago. Not a nice story.
http://www.al-airliners.be/a/aerolyon/aerolyon.htm
Beginners World #4 Northwest Orient Airlines
Viking Airlines
The Modern Times 1
Based at Keflavik :-\
Modern Times #1
Trans World Airlines based in Doha.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2762
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA
Modern Times #1
OZJET
Real world Australian based airline, owned subsiduary of Strategic Aviation. CLosed early this year, but it is still operational under the Strategic brand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozjet
Modern Times #1
Northwest Continental Airlines (combo of two real ones)
airberlin based in Frankfurt in Rise Of The Modern Airliners :)
In Modern Times #1
Scandinavian Airline Systems (SAS)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2965
In real life: http://www.sas.se/en/
Kind of a nobrainer :)
In Dawn of the Millennium - Pacific Southwest Airlines https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1329/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1329/)
Wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines)
in Modern times 1
OzJet based in Melbourne https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline782/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline782/)
i know it was mentioned a few days ago but even the real airline was even based in Melbourne untill it was sold last may ??? http://www.ozjet.com.au/ (http://www.ozjet.com.au/)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1264
AeroThessaloniki Izmir is using the Turkish Airlines (THY) logo in their logo/livery in Dawn of the Millenium.
In Dawn of the Millennium - Spirit Airlines https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1385/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1385/)
Airline Webpage - http://www.spiritair.com/ (http://www.spiritair.com/)
The Modern Times #1
PassaMedo - https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline382
Real Airline:
Passaredo - http://www.voepassaredo.com.br/empresa/site/default.asp
Here we go again... Why do some people never read the terms and conditions....
Airliner in Euro Challenge at DG :
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline502/
Real airliner:
http://www.kalittaair.com/
Unbelievable even in The Early days we have one:
British Scareways https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline84
I think everyone will understand it looks a bit like BA
In early days also:
Transportes Aereos Portugas
In real:
Transportes Aereos Portugal (TAP)
TAP
If we google the name it is obvious
http://www.google.be/search?q=Transportes+Aereos+Portugas
And yet another one:
Dawn of the millenium:
Air Phuket.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1550/
Real Airliner:
http://www.phuketairlines.com/
(Blacklisted in most parts of EU)
That is already a very different name..
Im sorry, Phuket Air is different from Air Phuket?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phuket_Air
Quote from: swiftus27 on January 26, 2010, 03:15:07 PM
Im sorry, Phuket Air is different from Air Phuket?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phuket_Air
Eazyjet is also different from Easyjet ;) But still it is recognizeable
Novair in the Modern Times #1
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3449/
Novair in the real world, is owned by Kuoni Travel, and operates charter flights from Scandinavia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novair .
Lifthnsa :o :o in the Modern Times 1
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3523/
I think it looks/sounds a bit too much like Lufthansa
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3541
Transaero in The Modern Times 1.
Blue Air (The Modern Times #1):
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2639/
Realworld:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Air
Ah, a new game and new people who either don't know about the real airline and don't think to make use of google, or who think the rules don't apply to them. :laugh:
Braniff:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline258 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline258)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braniff_International_Airways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braniff_International_Airways)
British Overseas: (not sure if this one counts since it's not quite complete)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline265 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline265)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Airways_Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Airways_Corporation)
Empire Airlines:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline271 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline271)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empires_Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empires_Airlines)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_Airlines_%281976-1985%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_Airlines_%281976-1985%29)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_Airlines)
Swiss International Airlines: (unless Airlines doesn't count as the same as Air Lines)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline233 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline233)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_International_Air_Lines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_International_Air_Lines)
I guess its safe if someone uses Air "country name" and the only airline that comes close to its name is one with "country name" airlines because there are real world airlines that use similar names but are two completely different airline like Air Philippines and Philippine Airlines for example.
In -Beginner World 5
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline27
PanAmerican . Also using its real logo.
Quote from: Dookz on February 09, 2010, 08:06:45 AM
I guess its safe if someone uses Air "country name" and the only airline that comes close to its name is one with "country name" airlines because there are real world airlines that use similar names but are two completely different airline like Air Philippines and Philippine Airlines for example.
In -Beginner World 5
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline27
PanAmerican . Also using its real logo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Railways
like this?
Quote from: ucfknightryan on February 09, 2010, 07:09:46 AM
Ah, a new game and new people who either don't know about the real airline and don't think to make use of google, or who think the rules don't apply to them. :laugh:
Braniff:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline258 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline258)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braniff_International_Airways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braniff_International_Airways)
British Overseas: (not sure if this one counts since it's not quite complete)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline265 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline265)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Airways_Corporation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Airways_Corporation)
Empire Airlines:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline271 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline271)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empires_Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empires_Airlines)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_Airlines_%281976-1985%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_Airlines_%281976-1985%29)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_Airlines)
Swiss International Airlines: (unless Airlines doesn't count as the same as Air Lines)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline233 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline233)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_International_Air_Lines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_International_Air_Lines)
I am pretty certain Empire isnt copywritten. Since Empire was bought by Piedmont in 1985, the name has been used with an airline in Idaho in the 1990s. The problem is with COPYWRITTEN names, not simply names of airlines that at one time existed. For instance Ozark which was bought by TWA in 1986 was ressurected with no problems in 2000 even with the same logo.
Three points:
1. Names would be covered by trademark, not copyright law.
2. Trademarks do not pass irrevocably into the public domain, unlike copyright they can be re-registered by a new party if the protection lapses. Therefore, just because another airline is using the name doesn't mean that it's not under trademark protection. The rights could have been sold in the bankruptcy of the previous airline, or if it did indeed lapse, could then be trademarked by the new airline. There is an airline currently operating under the Empire Airlines, and I doubt that they've failed to trademark their name.
3. The notice when creating your airline does not say "Do not use trademarked names", it says "Name of your airline can not contain names of realworld airlines"
Actually I just found a fourth point.
4. When Ozark was restarted, they had no problems because they purchased the rights, probably from TWA.
OBVIOUS:
Norwegian Air Shuttle ASA in The Rise Of The Modern Airliners 1!!! Just created!
The name Empire isnt a trademark, their logo would be. The name Empire would be a copywrite. "Real world Airline" could be any name. 1000s of airlines have existed since 1920s. Obviously United, American, Air France, Pan Am etc would be not allowed. But how about
Central Airlines?
McClain?
Air New England?
Mid America?
Great Plains?
Air 1?
Imperial?
Wilbur's Flying Service?
Some of these are a lot bigger than Emipire IATA UR ever was.
Are players suppose to be aware of every two bit carrier from 1920???
PS I see Empire is still flying. Usually Sami is on these things pretty quickly, so it must not be a problem.
Some logic should be used when posting here. This is a nice example of how overzealous citizens become tools of tyranny in totalitarian societies.
Quote from: ucfknightryan on February 10, 2010, 01:23:26 AM
Three points:
1. Names would be covered by trademark, not copyright law.
2. Trademarks do not pass irrevocably into the public domain, unlike copyright they can be re-registered by a new party if the protection lapses. Therefore, just because another airline is using the name doesn't mean that it's not under trademark protection. The rights could have been sold in the bankruptcy of the previous airline, or if it did indeed lapse, could then be trademarked by the new airline. There is an airline currently operating under the Empire Airlines, and I doubt that they've failed to trademark their name.
3. The notice when creating your airline does not say "Do not use trademarked names", it says "Name of your airline can not contain names of realworld airlines"
Actually I just found a fourth point.
4. When Ozark was restarted, they had no problems because they purchased the rights, probably from TWA.
Ive counted no fewer than 10 airlines in Jet Age that would be considered violations under the loosely interpreted rules youre following:
Any state or province with Air in front or behind it would be a violation then: Not just the biggies like Air Cal, Air Florida, QuebecAir, Air Ontario etc, but also Air Vermont, Air Virginia, Air Kentucky. City names like Chicago, New York, LA with Air in front or behind.
Any directional name with Air in front or behind. West, North, East, South all violations according to you.
Names with Express, Commuter, Consolidated. Mountain ranges: Rockies, Ozarks, Alleghenys, Poconos, Alps, Urals.
How about Resort, Regent, Brower, Key? The list goes on.
The point is we need to be rational. Players cannot be aware of every single airline, and I bet neither is Sami, that has existed for any short period of time since 1920, nor should it be a problem. To make someone start over because they came up with the name Air Iowa(real airline in the 1980s using EMB-110s) or Air Kentucky (US Air Express partner in 1988 using BE9s) is absurd.
Names like British Airways, TWA should be prohibited, but naming an airline Empire that operates out of NY, the Empire State, shouldnt be prohibited.
Naming your airline American Airlines could get Sami in trouble, naming it Air South (737 Airline out of CAE in 1997-98) wont
PS it isnt my airline. Im just mad at the excessive busybodies.
@ekaneti
i 100% agreen with this. i couldn't call me airline 'Pan Canadian Airways' because Canadian was an airline, but yet Pan Canada Airways is ok?
Quote from: soarinternational on February 10, 2010, 08:29:03 PM
'Pan Canadian Airways'
That is OK. (or did the automatic filter deny this?)
As said, the system does some automatic checks and filtering on the names. It is not perfect of course. Admin nor the users cannot know if every single name or part of it have been trademarked at some point and that is not needed.
The objective of the rule is just to keep players from using real airline names that would be considered "current" airline names/other trademarks. So basically an airline that ceased 50 years ago would be ok but I would not recommend it as the name is still most likely owned by a company - but there's really no way of checking this.
All in all, better figure out some unique name than copy an airline.
Whew, obviously I was not sufficently clear in my last, cause you've gone places with it I didn't envision. So, I'll try this again.
QuoteThe name Empire isnt a trademark, their logo would be. The name Empire would be a copywrite. "Real world Airline" could be any name. 1000s of airlines have existed since 1920s. Obviously United, American, Air France, Pan Am etc would be not allowed. But how about
The name and logo would both be trademarks. The logo, but not the name, might also be under copyright. Coyright protects artistic works. Trademarks protect names, phrases, symbols, and devices used to distinguish goods and services from others of the same type. Copyright would actually be worse from this perspective since it doesn't lapse if not used and somebody woul definately own it and be able to sue for any use and not just use in the same category of business, and copyright takes decades to expire.
Here are some links about the differences between copyright and trademarks.
http://www.legalzoom.com/trademarks-faq/trademark-versus-copyright-protection.html (http://www.legalzoom.com/trademarks-faq/trademark-versus-copyright-protection.html)
http://www.lawmart.com/forms/difference.htm (http://www.lawmart.com/forms/difference.htm)
QuoteAny state or province with Air in front or behind it would be a violation then: Not just the biggies like Air Cal, Air Florida, QuebecAir, Air Ontario etc, but also Air Vermont, Air Virginia, Air Kentucky. City names like Chicago, New York, LA with Air in front or behind.
Any directional name with Air in front or behind. West, North, East, South all violations according to you.
Names with Express, Commuter, Consolidated. Mountain ranges: Rockies, Ozarks, Alleghenys, Poconos, Alps, Urals.
How about Resort, Regent, Brower, Key? The list goes on.
I'm not sure how you got this. Unless it's a trademark that has been used in avaiton, or maybe transportation in general I'm not sure how trademark categories break down, in the last five years they'd be fine. The only one there that I know off the top of my head might be bad would be Allegheny, and then only if paired with Airlines and if US Airways has maintained that trademark by using it in some way like they have with Piedmont.
With Empire, if it were just the defunct airlines it probably wouldn't be a problem, but there is a
currently operating airline using the name. They have undoubtedly trademaked it. I probably should have left off the three links for the defunct ones since they seem to have been confusing.
I'm not going out of my way to dig up airlines to report I just report ones I happen to see while playing. Empire was the only one that I googled, and the only reason I did so was because I had a hard time believing there wasn't one. The only surprise was that it was based in Idaho instead of New York.
QuoteAre players suppose to be aware of every two bit carrier from 1920???
No. Just ones that are still flying/or in the aviation or transport buisness or were in the last five years. Come on, how hard is it to type a name into google before you pick it? I did that and scrapped some of my ideas because they were being used in real life and I didn't want to have to changey name or get my airline closed, or worse get Sami sued by some asshat lawyer with nothing better to do than waste his clients money going after trivial cases of infringment.
The rule is more restrictive than it has to be, but that's because it would be a momumtal pain on the neck to inforce a rule against using trademarked names.
I appologize if this post is a bit rambeling or unclear. It's hard to type a post this big on a phone.
I see another post came in while I was typing this post. Pan Canadian Airways is very different from simply Canadian. I don't think I ever impied that it would be but if I did I apologize.
Quote from: soarinternational on February 10, 2010, 08:29:03 PM
@ekaneti
i 100% agreen with this. i couldn't call me airline 'Pan Canadian Airways' because Canadian was an airline, but yet Pan Canada Airways is ok?
Canadian is something from Canada. So as Sami said it should be ok. CP now AC doesnt own the word Canadian unless Airlines follows it.
Quote from: ekaneti on February 10, 2010, 10:41:18 PM
Canadian is something from Canada. So as Sami said it should be ok. CP now AC doesnt own the word Canadian unless Airlines follows it.
With that theory, I should be allowed to have US Air.
Um, no.
""No. Just ones that are still flying/or in the aviation or transport buisness or were in the last five years.""
The rule on here is more restrictive than that. Then Braniff would be allowed
Quote from: swiftus27 on February 10, 2010, 10:42:03 PM
With that theory, I should be allowed to have US Air.
Um, no.
Youre missing the point. No wonder there are so many questionable complaints about airline names.
You could have Canadian Jet, Canadian Wings, Canadian West. US Air was a real carrier that still exists with a slight name change. Any combination of Canadian did not exist except for Airlines after Canadian. Do you think Canadian Tire and Canadian Airlines went to court over the name Canadian????
I do think that American and Canadian and British would be prohibited even without the Airlines (Airways) at the end but British Wings, American East??? Those should be fine.
heya, sorry to interrupt the intense conversation here but I think there's an airline in the Jet Age that is against the rules. Swiss International Airlines. hello? that's a real airline, everyone should know that one. I don't know if this has been brought up already, but still.
Quote from: ekaneti on February 10, 2010, 01:00:28 PM
PS I see Empire is still flying. Usually Sami is on these things pretty quickly, so it must not be a problem.
Some logic should be used when posting here. This is a nice example of how overzealous citizens become tools of tyranny in totalitarian societies.
I didn't see this one before.
Dude don't you think you're laying it on a bit thick here? I'm a tool of tyranny in a totalatarian society? I didn't realize a simple forum post could turn me into an agent of evil or that airwaysim was a totalatarian society. ??? I (maybe, since I have no idea if Sami felt any of those were violations, and don't really care cause it's his call) caused someone to have to rename a simulated airline. I did not cause someone to be ostracized, fined, arrested, shipped off to a reeducation camp, put in a concentration camp, or killed. Tone down the hyperbole a bit.
QuoteInsert Quote
""No. Just ones that are still flying/or in the aviation or transport buisness or were in the last five years.""
The rule on here is more restrictive than that. Then Braniff would be allowed
sorry. I was talking about trademark law there not airwaysim rules. Should have made it clearer. The airwaysim rule is more restrictive because determining if a trademark is still in force is a pain.
Quote from: ICEcold on February 10, 2010, 10:52:22 PM
heya, sorry to interrupt the intense conversation here but I think there's an airline in the Jet Age that is against the rules. Swiss International Airlines. hello? that's a real airline, everyone should know that one. I don't know if this has been brought up already, but still.
I think that was one I mentioned in the post that started this. ;D
Gee all.. Please read what I wrote 30mins ago:
https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,4214.msg86658.html#msg86658
(That is the "final decision" on this matter.)
Quote from: sami on February 10, 2010, 11:03:20 PM
Gee all.. Please read what I wrote 30mins ago:
https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,4214.msg86658.html#msg86658
(That is the "final decision" on this matter.)
We did kinda drag this thread away from it's intended purpose didn't we? :-[
ok, I'll shut up now. ;D
Jet Age Game
EastWest. Well known old commercial airline in Australia :-\
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East-West_Airlines_%28Australia%29
@Sami
the Pan Canadian was thrown out automatically, but it allowed Pan Canada. which seems odd as its got the same ties to a canadian airline 'Canadian Airlines' or 'Air Canada' both use a word in my airline name but, one is kicked and one is ok. maybe a small tweek to the filter?
Quote from: SirGrant on February 11, 2010, 11:50:45 AM
Jet Age Game
EastWest. Well known old commercial airline in Australia :-\
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East-West_Airlines_%28Australia%29
His livery picture looked a tad too amazing....
Quote from: SirGrant on February 11, 2010, 11:50:45 AM
Jet Age Game
EastWest. Well known old commercial airline in Australia :-\
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East-West_Airlines_%28Australia%29
Perfect example of overzelousness that Ive been talking about. An Australian airline from the 1970s with directional name East/West. This is an issue??? Qantas would be a problem, even Ansett. But I cant see this being a problem.
Quote from: ekaneti on February 11, 2010, 09:24:35 PM
Perfect example of overzelousness that Ive been talking about. An Australian airline from the 1970s with directional name East/West. This is an issue??? Qantas would be a problem, even Ansett. But I cant see this being a problem.
Is there something about Sami's opening post you don't understand.. looks very simple to me. Heres a quote from it to help you out.
QuoteAWS does not allow real world airline names or logos to be used
Honestly, how hard is it to 'make up' an original name and image picture ::)
Random airline name generator that spits out fictional airlines names. :P
Thomas Cook Denmark in Rise Of The Modern Airliners
British World Airways in The Early Days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQo77bO028I
"A couple of Vickers Viscounts belonging to British World (BWA), formely British Air Ferries, at Aberdeen around 1994/5 taxying for take off to Scatsa."
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/British%20World%20Airways.htm
http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/British-World-Airlines-Ltd-Company-History.html
Like the name would have used it myself in a game but......
East West in JA is still there.
cancel my last I note he is using "Airways" and the RWA is "Airlines" apologies
In the rise of modern airliners, an airline is using the name "Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij." Isn't this the same as KLM? Although he is based in KIX.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1363/
Using the Logo and the livery of KLM (Rise of Modern Airliners)
Found one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Sky_Airlines - Real Airline
In Game Airline - https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline217/
- Even uses the same livery!
Thanks
Edit:
Another ,
not sure about this one
Real Airline - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_Airlines (does DoD stuff so there's not all that much info)
In Game - https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline89
--> Although he does only use Platinum and not Platinum Airlines
Slightly off topic..but what about airlines that use train companies livery? I saw one sporting the livery of the train company I use everyday to get to work.. :o
Quote from: knutm1980 on February 23, 2010, 12:06:35 PM
Slightly off topic..but what about airlines that use train companies livery? I saw one sporting the livery of the train company I use everyday to get to work.. :o
lol, maybe I need to rebrand my airline to NS (Nederlandse Spoorwegen, Dutch Railways) or TCDD (Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Devlet Demiryollari, Republic of Turkey State Railways). :P
The name of the topic says "using realworld names/logos", so I think railway companies are also included?
Quote from: TK1244 on February 23, 2010, 12:29:12 PM
lol, maybe I need to rebrand my airline to NS (Nederlandse Spoorwegen, Dutch Railways) or TCDD (Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Devlet Demiryollari, Republic of Turkey State Railways). :P
The name of the topic says "using realworld names/logos", so I think railway companies are also included?
airline: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1760
train livery: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3020/2814040722_2bebdfb811_m.jpg
It's somewhat stylized, and the name carries no relation.
LAM stands for Lineas Aeras Mozambqiue...known in the 80's as late and maybe...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAM_Mozambique_Airlines
I could to TAP = Take Another Plane...
but thats just not rule breaking
today had nothing to do...and browsing some websites went across these ones....
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline28
http://www.conair.ca/?action=conair_main&page_id=0001
and one more to launch some controversy
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline433
http://www.aircharterguide.com/Operator_Info/EUROAIR,_LTD./6858/ATHENS/7798
well to be honest i have never heard of them
well...it used to be a portuguese company too.
it was LAR to start with as Ligacoes Aereas Regionais, in the 80's, due to difficult situations the name was changed to EuroAir, before going BK, even had a few a320 in order....
the name was then taken by the greeks i guess....
you can see as follows
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Euroair-Transport/Vickers-807-Viscount/1461042/&sid=09df03557398f5858f268e2d70851773
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Euroair/Embraer-EMB-110P1-Bandeirante/1447417/L/&sid=09df03557398f5858f268e2d70851773
http://www.airliners.net/photo/EuroAir/McDonnell-Douglas-MD-83/1254056/&sid=09df03557398f5858f268e2d70851773
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Advanced-Aviation/Dornier-228-202/1167316/&sid=09df03557398f5858f268e2d70851773 the portuguese colours
http://www.airliners.net/photo/EuroAir/British-Aerospace-ATP/1096972/&sid=09df03557398f5858f268e2d70851773
and there you are...just after a 5 mins research!
Euroair and Eurair are not the same, and not too similar as that's some tiny Chieftain company.. (Please get some perspective into these matters like already discussed few pages back)
Scan air and scanair?
airline at AWS: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1858/
Real airline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanair
Quote from: sami on February 28, 2010, 06:12:21 PM
Euroair and Eurair are not the same, and not too similar as that's some tiny Chieftain company.. (Please get some perspective into these matters like already discussed few pages back)
it goes back to the issue of easyjet and eazy jet...
still find it funny the comment of..."tiny Chieftain company"... a company that flies md83's, baa's, hs's and embraer's...may not be big, but takes to the skies and it is a company! ??? just confused....nothing else....but no, i dont need to be clarified! because whenever i get some clarification on whatever issue or whenever i make a comment...it seems that it always come on "light hearted maner". therefore ill just be quiet! and let yourself's argue and discuss who has and hasnt got a real airline name! have fun! :-\
the Jet age:
Eos Airlines (in game (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline645/) / real world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eos_Airlines))
For Sami's descretion:
DOTM:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1908/
real airliner: Nippon airways
The Jet Age
Air Sweden, www.airsweden.net
What about someone using the same name as someone playing the game, I am CommonwealthAirways, and there is a guy named Commonwealth Airways........come on, really?
If he gets to keep that, I am changing my name to Valujet!
In Beginners World #6, Oceanic Airways is using a real logo of Oceanic Worldwide, a manufacturer of SCUBA diving equipment.
Airline:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline46/
Owner's Logo:
http://www.oceanicworldwide.com/p_snorkels_ultradry_testimonials.html
https://secure1.impactdata.com.au/wwwimpactdata/scuba/login/index.asp
It appears to be an older logo, but very much still used by Oceanic WW.
In beginner's world 6:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline245/
Airline: LOT
User: dawid.maniura
Euro Challenge 2
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline384/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline384/)
Just based in Moscow and is called Aerofslot... :laugh:
Airline closed down by administration without 2-day grace time.
(Same done for LOT some days ago)
Air Mediterranée
Game Airline: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline435/
Real airline: http://www.air-mediterranee.fr/uk/index.php
In Beginner game - "Alitalias"
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline458/
Modern Times 2
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline275 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline275)
A bit close to Monarch.
I would still allow that as word "monarchy" is a "real" word.
MT2: Air Macau (they're the real airline of Macau)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline190 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline190)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Macau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Macau)
Quote from: Dave4468 on April 16, 2010, 08:43:30 PMA bit close to Monarch.
try Monarch Airways in HND.....unless that's alright with sami. :)
don't know if this counts, but Canadair of Montreal. I think everyone here knows of the Bombardier Canadair CRJ....... (CRJ stands for Canadair Regional Jet) sooo.....
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline89 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline89)
Not sure if this counts but has anyone seen just how many airlines there are in Australia with the 'Australian' Airlines name or something similar, every one of them similar if not the same to the Australian Airlines that once flew in Oz that was before known as TAA
at Modern Times 2
New airline: Sun Express
A new airline called Sun Express has started operations today. This airline is being run by CEO Sethor.
Sun Express is based at the Atlanta - Hartsfield-Jackson (KATL / ATL) airport in United States.
There is an airline company based in Turkey called Sun Express
http://www.sunexpress.com
Quote from: raptorva on April 17, 2010, 07:26:41 AM
Not sure if this counts but has anyone seen just how many airlines there are in Australia with the 'Australian' Airlines name or something similar, every one of them similar if not the same to the Australian Airlines that once flew in Oz that was before known as TAA
yes Sami, ban them all LOL, gives us some clear air to breathe , too many of them :) it may be soo confusing boarding the planes all sound same and most of them have 707's too LOL
Sami let me begin by saying sorry :(
I was watching this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc&feature=related when i decided to make my airline name QuantumAero.
Just watching this topic to report someone i decided to google my own name. I found out that my airline name is actually a real company.....
How can i change the name of my airline without wasting money/having to start somewere else ?
Oh and the abbreviation of this airline is kinda Tricky: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline107
PM the new name & code to me.
(the real Quantum is actually just bankrupt)
I've found this one:
Passamedo Air, Modern times 2 : https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline516
it's similar with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passaredo
If anyone find more please reply this forum
Passamedo Air, ;modern Times 2 : https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline516
Familiar name with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passaredo
Passamedo has been in previous game worlds so let him alone! ;D
Marquis Jet in TMT2
Dutch Airlines
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline595 (in Modern Times #2)
in real life: KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
Thai International same like Thai Airways International in Modern Times 2
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline566 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline566)
Quote from: jchaves on April 17, 2010, 04:55:31 PM
Dutch Airlines
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline595 (in Modern Times #2)
in real life: KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
with the new AF logo (oops modified acc to some)
Sami ,
check this out
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline547/
V pacific but based in Based in BCN El Prat,
Real life V Australia, livery is exact copy and also using 777-300ER,
common guys , do something different.
PS: using old Ansett Australia logo too, LOL
I have a "Middle Eastern Airlines" flying into OBBI from somewhere in the Middle East... Sounds like the MEA from Lebanon... :)
In Beginner's World #6
American Trans Air Even use their old logo.
Maybe just ask them to change the name/livery?
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline595 is still there with the Air France Livery...
@ raptorva- the name is different and he edited the livery, so he made it his. he is ok. ;)
Quote from: ICEcold on April 19, 2010, 01:33:18 AM
@ raptorva- the name is different and he edited the livery, so he made it his. he is ok. ;)
I actually disagree. While the tail has been altered, although is still similar, the red marque after the name on the fuselage is a 100% ripoff from AF.
so what. it's a different name. I know for a fact that if it's just a little red thing after a word, with something COMPLETELY different from what it's associated with (in this case AF), it doesn't matter as anyone can use that. You can't claim copyright on that little piece of red paint, it's not part of any landmark. with the words "Air France" in front of it, it would matter, but with the WORD "Dutch" in front of it doesn't count toward copyright infringement. I could do anything with that little red thing I wanted to. I could do the attached thing for example. ;)
ICEcold
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That "little red thing" is part of the Air France corporate identity and overall brand. IMO, it should not be used.
No need to freak out...I'm just providing my opinion - everyone is entitled to one.
What would be the difference to me using the Nike "swoosh" in any application is wanted to. Afterall it's just a "little white thing".
yes, but there is a difference: Nike has actually registered that check-mark, unlike AF with their red thingy. And technically you can use that check-mark, as it is a common sight in the real-world, as long as you edit it so that it stands out against Nike's. Although it would be different if someone used that in a shoe company and made that their main image, because obviously that image is Nike's, but in the case of Dutch, it looks different enough for it to be able to pass through any ensuing lawsuit by AF with flying colors.....and yes, I know it is your opinion, i'm just saying that he has done nothing that bad that he shouldn't be allowed to use that logo..... ;)
Oh, and I also found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Pacific_Air_Lines
CP Air and that livery/logo are the same as the original...
In Beginner's World #6
Texas Air
both went bust a LONG time ago and have since been completely out of the public world. CP was swallowed up by AC, and Texas air was swallowed up by.....CAL? Either that or AAL/DAL.....both have lost their respective names and are no longer in use. both are fine. ;)
So if their not around anymore were allowed to use em? TWA/Reno Air/ Midway/Skybus/Eastern and so on?
Skybus no as they've been gone for only a short period of time, as they went bust not too long ago. TWA/Eastern/Reno and Midway you'd have to ask Sami about. I don't think he'd allow TWA, as it is the landmark of original american air transportation, but he MIGHT allow the others.
It doesnt matter if the airline went broke or not, you still cannot use its name or logo or livery.
I know as I got that problem when I used the name and logo of East-West airlines in TJA, even though the real East-West that I used went bankrupt in the 1970's and the reformed one being absorbed by Ansett in the 1980's which also went bankrupt in 2001.
Texas Air was never an airline. It was the holding company for Continental/Eastern/New York Air in the 1980s run by Frank Lorenzo
Technically close mis-spellings would be legal. Sami may not want to go there but there is a web site called Untied.com that mocks United Airlines
Quote from: knutm1980 on February 23, 2010, 12:06:35 PM
Slightly off topic..but what about airlines that use train companies livery? I saw one sporting the livery of the train company I use everyday to get to work.. :o
Finally someone spotted I used Firstbus
look-alike color sheme.
- First Capital Connect
- First transpenine express
- First Great Britain Railfeight
- First Great Western
- First Scotrail
Next time I place a big pink "
W" on the tail section reprecenting "
Worstgroup"
I'm not sure why anyone would want to be "We charge you for carry-ons and then stuff our CEO in an overhead bin to explain why this is a good thing airlines", but someone just founded Spirit Airlines in MT2. ???
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline811/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline811/)
//If Spirit were really interested in reducing boarding times they'd just re-bundle a single checked bag with the ticket price, not charge you 4 times their lowest ticket price for you carrying a bag half your size.
Not one to drop a dime but someone is using Air Macau and didn't even bother to change a thing. Same name, same logo. Even used a picture of the actual plane.
Disney's Magical Express
Jet Age 2...
Really?
MT#2:
Game Airline: Red Wings (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline127/)
Real Airlines: Red Wings Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Wings_Airlines)
Quote from: TK1244 on April 23, 2010, 02:40:16 PM
MT#2:
Game Airline: Red Wings (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline127/)
Real Airlines: Red Wings Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Wings_Airlines)
I was just going to post that.
Perhaps a good idea to "hire" some volunteer to manage / "moderate" these names?
Quote from: sami on April 23, 2010, 02:42:26 PM
Perhaps a good idea to "hire" some volunteer to manage / "moderate" these names?
Ill volunteer if need be.
I will aswell, if you need any help, got alot of time on my hands.
Quote from: swiftus27 on April 23, 2010, 02:40:41 PM
I was just going to post that.
lol, I bet you also saw the news that he ordered new Yakovlev Yak42 aircraft? :P
Btw, I could also help to manage/"moderate" these names ;)
Count me in for that...
Modern Age 2:
CP Airlines: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline296/
Real Life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Pacific_Air_Lines
Same name and livery.
I'm constantly online, so count me in as an "Airline Name Moderator" ;D
So now we have a 'Chief Airline Name Regulation Officer (CANRO)' ???
;D
But seriously, count me in as well.
Denis
Quote from: Jupiter on April 23, 2010, 07:29:04 PM
Modern Age 2:
CP Airlines: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline296/
Real Life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Pacific_Air_Lines
Same name and livery.
BK a loooong time ago ;)
Quote from: ICEcold on April 23, 2010, 09:35:42 PM
BK a loooong time ago ;)
Fair enough. There's only so much work I was going to do to stop copyright infringement... reading through 20 pages wasn't going to be part of it. :)
just a little question......why Air Macau is still alive? ;) not only use the name but also use the logo, does he get any permit from the real company in using those things? :o
Quote from: type45 on April 24, 2010, 07:27:53 AM
just a little question......why Air Macau is still alive? ;) not only use the name but also use the logo, does he get any permit from the real company in using those things? :o
The player get some days time to chance its name, maybe that is the reason why he still exists ;)
Monarch
MT#2:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline236
Real world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarch_Airlines
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline566/ in MT2 seems pretty close to Real World Thai International Airways...
Real world: http://www.thaiairways.com/
Spirit Airlines in MT#2
MT2
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1039
copy of Air India express, the logo is the same but edited.
Aloha
MT#2
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1174/
Real World:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines
This isn't real world name but it is a bad word in Spanish:
BOLUDO AIRWAYS in Buenos Aires (SAEZ)
Literally means big hairy balls airways.
Quote from: juanchopancho on April 28, 2010, 02:33:36 PM
...
Literally means big hairy balls airways.
Sorry but literally fell off my chair laughing then.
Let them keep it for comedy factor lol although it isn't very subtle.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1213
Thomas Cook Airlines is a real airline name: http://www.thomascook.com (http://www.thomascook.com)
airline closed without warning, a clear rule violation...
White Air (White Airways of Portugal)
MT2-
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1244/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1244/)
Real world-
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Airways/url]
A suggestion ...
The US Patent & Trademark Office provides an electronic query vehicle here: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4009:at7pbb.1.1
Perhaps this could be used to quickly identify any potential violations (at least with regard to any real company operating within the US). My feeling is if it's not registered with the USPTO then it isn't a protected name.
I am currently managing Pioneer Airlines in MT2 and I searched it with the USPTO before using it -it is not registered with them, although it was a real airline until it merged with Continental in 1955. My logo and livery are also hand drawn by me and nothing like the original.
In MT2 - Spirit Airlines https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline811/
Real world: www.spiritair.com
Thanks GOGreen
You bet. Also, the search will show expired when you click on that link but just click the trademark button in the upper left to start a new search then click on "Search Marks" - then when the next page opens click on "New User Search form - Basic" to begin a new query.
guys, Spirit Airlines has been brought up numerous times. WE KNOW HE'S THERE ALREADY!
GoGreenCEO, your link works fine, but only in the States. do you know of any that works worldwide? ;)
ICEcold
No, I don't know of an international database query vehicle. But I will see if I can find anything useful and report back if I do.
The link works for me in Canada... ;-)
I think the links stays up if it is clicked on every so often. Eventually it will expire and you will need to follow the steps I posted above to start a new search.
OK, the USTPO has a page with links to other intellectual property sites worldwide. The links are arranged by nationality and there is a link to the Trilateral Co-operation website which allows searches for Europe, Japan and the US - seemingly an all-in-one query vehicle for those three nations. I haven't clicked on the individual nation links to see what is offered with each.
Here is the link to the USTPO page: http://www.uspto.gov/faq/other.jsp
and heres is the direct link to the Trilateral Co-operation site: http://www.trilateral.net/index.html;jsessionid=8uptcfj3n465
Ummm, after trying to use the Trilateral search I don't think that database is operational yet. I can't get a hit on anything I search.
GoGreenCEO, what I meant was that registrations in Asia/Oceania etc are not appearing thereby meaning it doesn't work worldwide. and try to post as little replies as possible, it save on space and thereby room on the server. ;)
ChrisA330, I live in Canada too and it works perfectly, I even saw my GP's company registered there, but what I meant is shown above. ;)
two others in MT2:
Caribbean Airlines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Airlines)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1181 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1181)
Alliance Airlines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Airlines)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline505 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline505)
Cheers,
ICEcold
ICEcold,
I realize that the U.S. Trademark and Patent Office isn't going to provide information on other international companies. That is why I provided the other links and info.
As far as posting and saving space, perhaps I should just mind my own business and not post anything at all ... "try to post as little replies as possible" ... seriously?
North Central Airlines in KORD in Jet Age.
Red Wings
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline127/
Real: (Russian charter airline)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Wings_Airlines
Game World: Amsterdam Airlines (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1266/)
Real World: Amsterdam Airlines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Airlines)
ATB: Amsterdam Airlines https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline274
(Real world posted below)
Amst. Airlines has 2 planes... I love these startups.
Quote from: swiftus27 on April 29, 2010, 03:01:25 PM
Amst. Airlines has 2 planes... I love these startups.
The game world airline has also two a/c (one on order, one already operating :P) He is also using the real ICAO code for the airline :P
Aloha Air (HNL) - Air Travel Boom
a bit too similar to aloha airlines
Quote from: TK1244 on April 29, 2010, 03:26:43 PM
The game world airline has also two a/c (one on order, one already operating :P) He is also using the real ICAO code for the airline :P
what if he can prove that he is the airline's owner?
Quote from: swiftus27 on April 29, 2010, 03:36:56 PM
what if he can prove that he is the airline's owner?
Hm... good question :P Then he can continue running its virtual version of the airline, Expanding its airline faster than in reality :P
Avia Soyuz (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline29) is using the Aeroflot's famous "Winged Hammer and Sickle" (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Aeroflot.svg) logo.
Quote from: Filippo on April 29, 2010, 03:29:33 PM
Aloha Air (HNL) - Air Travel Boom
a bit too similar to aloha airlines
this airline appeared again - again from HNL
I have a new competitor who's name is slightly familiar;
MT2: malaisian air
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1322
Real World: Malaysian Airlines
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline780/
This name is quite similar to Aloha Airlines, that were based at Honolulu.
Istanbul Airlines (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1472/) really existed and used the same ICAO code (IHY)
Quote from: Filippo on April 29, 2010, 03:29:33 PM
Aloha Air (HNL) - Air Travel Boom
a bit too similar to aloha airlines
this airline re-appeared again. It just goes bankrupt, then appears the next day, then goes bankrupt, then appears the next day and so on
the guy obviously doesn't get that he cannot use that name ::)
Air Travel Boom
Zest Airlines https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline114/
Real world: Zest Airlines. zest.com.ph
Zest Airlines does not appear to be a real airline at all.
Quote from: ekaneti on May 03, 2010, 12:29:40 PM
Zest Airlines does not appear to be a real airline at all.
the real airline is called Zest Airways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zest_Airways) (or simple Zest Air)
See pictures of the airline: Click, click (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?airlinesearch=Zest+Air&distinct_entry=true&page=1&page_limit=120&sid=d885644710ddddc016267ad4e0fe8f1a&sort_order=photo_id+desc&thumbnails=)
Turkishh Airways - Cleverly added an extra h to get around the name being recognised as a derivative of Turkish Airlines.
Odd one...
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline490/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline490/)
Not a real airline but Microsoft use it in FSX. Is that an issue?
Quote from: Tom Moreno on May 03, 2010, 03:01:58 PM
Turkishh Airways
Closed without warning grace period.
Quote from: Dave4468 on May 03, 2010, 07:43:08 PM
Odd one...
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline490/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline490/)
Not a real airline but Microsoft use it in FSX. Is that an issue?
I doubt Microsoft licensed that name, secondly they use a totally different livery so I doubt this will be an issue.
ATB
Game World: Thomas Cook Spain https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline866/
Real World: Thomas Cook http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cook_Airlines
Another Thomas Cook?
Same guy than TWICE before.
His both airlines were closed and PM notification was sent. After second time I repeated the rules with an additional message. Either he has not read those (haven't checked) or he ignores or does not understand.
But this is his third violation so he is banned from the game until the issue is resolved.
The rules are very simple and displayed very clearly on the first page where the airline is made.
can I make Continited?
Air Travel Boom - flydubai.com https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline656/
Real World - flydubai http://flydubai.com/english.aspx
http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%B0stanbul_Havayollar%C4%B1 =Istanbul Airlines
An Istanbul based Airline that declared bankruptcy in 2000
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline864 Istanbul Airlines in Air Travel Boom
It did go bust a while ago, I mean you can't expect everyone to remember which airlines went bust. That just seems to be, well I'm based in istanbul so I should be called Istanbul Airlines. I googled it, it didn't look like it existed, so why not
(
Quote from: MCR247 on May 06, 2010, 06:39:06 AM
It did go bust a while ago, I mean you can't expect everyone to remember which airlines went bust. That just seems to be, well I'm based in istanbul so I should be called Istanbul Airlines. I googled it, it didn't look like it existed, so why not
(
I have no prob with realworld names but the same group now operates as a bus company. Just named here
There's a chance this is okay, but to cover all the bases...
Allegheny Airlines in Modern Times 2
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline975/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline975/)
US Airways still owns the rights to the name after they purchased them.
Quote from: MCR247 on May 06, 2010, 06:39:06 AM
It did go bust a while ago, I mean you can't expect everyone to remember which airlines went bust. That just seems to be, well I'm based in istanbul so I should be called Istanbul Airlines. I googled it, it didn't look like it existed, so why not
(
Do you know Google ?
Oz Jet in MT2 https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1757/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OzJet
Spirit Airlines out of OKC? Modern Times 2
AirOne ( Modern Times 2, https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1827 )
In Air Travel Boom: Air France International https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1221/
Air France sounds familiar to me :P , Its an airline based in Paris (France) ;)
CP Airlines is still being used. This time in Air Travel Boom.
I like that they don't even try to hide the Canadian flag on the livery despite being based out of Japan. :)
Crossair in Euro Challenge 2?
Zest Airways - EGLL - ATB
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline114/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline114/)
Actual low-cost carrier in Philippines..
http://www.zestair.com.ph/ (http://www.zestair.com.ph/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zest_Airways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zest_Airways)
Just wanting to check something but in Beginners world 7, there is another airline with the same name, just has Southern Airlines as opposed to my Southern Airways. Just wanting to check and see if there needs to be a change or what not.
Air Travel Boom:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline656 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline656)
Real World:
http://flydubai.com/english.aspx (http://flydubai.com/english.aspx)
Aeromexico in MT#2:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1725
MT#2 : https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1814/
Real World : http://www.tunisair.com.tn/
Air Travel Boom: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline631/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline631/) Dutch Airlines seems to be using the Air France logo and livery, albeit slightly modified. Not sure if this is legit or not.
ATB - Air Frence - based at Chicago O'Hare
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1782/
Singapore International Airlines in ATB
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1939/
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2000
In MT2, Braniff. Not sure if the copyright is still active, though.
i don't think so, but i'd have to check myself. :P I remember hearing Braniff somewhere with airplanes.....but it could be something entirely different that i'm thinking of. ;D let me check if it is.
MT2:
Air Pacific
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2421/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2421/)
Quote from: ICEcold on May 27, 2010, 05:40:01 PM
i don't think so, but i'd have to check myself. :P I remember hearing Braniff somewhere with airplanes.....but it could be something entirely different that i'm thinking of. ;D let me check if it is.
After some inglorious revival (3 or 4) the Braniff family prohibited any new use of this name for an airline. Still kept and registered by a trust.
::) should've known. I remembered there was something that caught me when I thought of a Braniff still out there, so I should've known that they still had it registered. :P
ATB:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1548 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1548)
FlyJet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyjet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyjet)
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Flyjet/Boeing-757-23A/1552121/L/&sid=5d91e0c6a2a2a0367410cf2736bf2274 (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Flyjet/Boeing-757-23A/1552121/L/&sid=5d91e0c6a2a2a0367410cf2736bf2274)
The Modern Times #2:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2286 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2286)
Real life:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-Finland/Boeing-757-28A/1480594/L/ (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-Finland/Boeing-757-28A/1480594/L/)
ATB:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2213/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2213/)
Orient Thai Airlines:
http://www.orient-thai.com/new/index.html (http://www.orient-thai.com/new/index.html)
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Orient-Thai-Airlines/Boeing-747-246B/1003991/&sid=a852daa6221a15a978c02cedf7aead47 (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Orient-Thai-Airlines/Boeing-747-246B/1003991/&sid=a852daa6221a15a978c02cedf7aead47)
Air Travel Boom: Regional Xpress : https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2292/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2292/)
Real: Regional Express http://www.rex.com.au/ (http://www.rex.com.au/)
BMI baby: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline904/
There is a company called that in the real world.
MT#2 : https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2779/
Bremenfly is an actual charter carrier.
see here : http://www.bremenfly.com/
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Alliance/View/19/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Alliance/View/19/)
JETS alliance in ATB is using AT&T's (http://www.att.com) logo for it's Icon.
What about Jet Airways? Member of that alliance.
http://www.jetairways.com/
Quote from: chunky25 on June 12, 2010, 07:31:21 PM
What about Jet Airways? Member of that alliance.
spelled differently. ;)
Quantas in ATB. Close to QANTAS
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2716/
Not to nit pick but I don't think Quantas should be banned as it is NOT Qantas...(yes its probably not the reason they chose this) its Latin.
actually, Quantas is a common mis-spelling of QANTAS by non-Australians. I believe it is because Quantas is how it is pronounced. QANTAS actually stands for Queensland And Northern Territory Aerial Service, the name it traded under when it was foundered in 1921
Not to be nitpicky either, but it was actually founded on the 13th July 1920 in a motel room in the Imperial Hotel in Queen St, Brisbane, where Hudson Fysh and Paul McGusiness became business partners in the venture. (Celebrating its 95th Brithday this year, 1 year behind KLM. Making Qantas the world's 2nd oldest continously operating airline.)
Modern Times 2 - Air Pacific
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2421
www.airpacific.com
Air Cal in Modern Times #2
MT2 Airline: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2445
Real Airline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_California
Quote from: jneil121 on June 13, 2010, 07:32:37 AM
Not to be nitpicky either, but it was actually founded on the 13th July 1920 in a motel room in the Imperial Hotel in Queen St, Brisbane, where Hudson Fysh and Paul McGusiness became business partners in the venture. (Celebrating its 95th Brithday this year, 1 year behind KLM. Making Qantas the world's 2nd oldest continously operating airline.)
Ah yes, I always forget about that.
I know my Ansett history better than my Qantas history
Quote from: hellsey on June 13, 2010, 04:05:32 AM
Not to nit pick but I don't think Quantas should be banned as it is NOT Qantas...(yes its probably not the reason they chose this) its Latin.
Honestly, I dont know what quantas means in Latin. But that would have been more believable if the airline wasn't based in Australia and the letters wasn't all capitalized.
Quote from: mini airbus on June 14, 2010, 05:21:23 PM
Honestly, I dont know what quantas means in Latin. But that would have been more believable if the airline wasn't based in Australia and the letters wasn't all capitalized.
Not to mention QANTAS has also bought out the www.quantas.com domain as well. :)
LAN Chile
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2825/
TAM airlines
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2963/
Air Pacific in MT2
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2421/
Real airline; http://www.airpacific.com/
JETS Alliance is using AT&T logo in ATB.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Alliance/View/19/
http://www.att.com/
One more: Sunwing in ATH
In MT2 https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3081/
In real world:
http://www.sunwing.ca/ (Travel angency)
http://www.flysunwing.com/ (Airline)
If only this player would have Googleled his wished company name he would have found Sunwing, the Canadian carrier, at the first position in Google !!!!
http://www.google.be/search?q=sunwing
In ATB: CITYJET: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3215/
Realworld: http://www.cityjet.com/
Blue Line in MT2
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3183/
In real live (No ATR but Fokker 100, A310 and MacDog with great livries)
http://www.flyblueline.com/
Quote from: mini airbus on June 14, 2010, 05:21:23 PM
Honestly, I dont know what quantas means in Latin. But that would have been more believable if the airline wasn't based in Australia and the letters wasn't all capitalized.
mostly all foreign news papers (other than oz ofc) spell Quantas - not sure why. Especially the yank ones. Gets my temper rising. Dont know it, dont report it, if you do then double check it.
Jesus christ, people in aviation industry itself getting it wrong shame shame shame!!!!
cheers
air travel boom
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2003/
JetAirways based in moscow and also has a JETS alliance. Has a fleet of 138 aircrafts and no one has seen this till now.
karablev
Date Registered: 04 March 2010, 21:28:38
VJC
+1
It's indian Airline with a fleet about 100 a/c. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Airways
in Air Travel Boom
Lion Air
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3288/
in real world
http://www2.lionair.co.id/
not really sure if this counts since the real world airline is now a subsidiary of another airline...
Aviateca in MT2
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3134
real airline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviateca
Im not sure if this qualifies but
CP Air in Air Travel Boom
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline454
Canadian Pacific Air, or CP air as it was know for 20 years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Pacific_Air_Lines
i thinks he's using their livery and logo as well
it doesn't. CP went under over 20 years ago and have not kept the name rights. It's perfectly viable for him to do that now. ;)
The Modern Times #2
Sri Lankan Airways (SRI)
The Jet Age #2
Singapore International Airways (SIA)
Quote from: juanchopancho on June 28, 2010, 11:01:27 PM
The Jet Age #2
Singapore International Airways (SIA)
that's fine, only because he put "international" between the words. SIA is only the ICAO code for
Singapore Airlines, but Singapore International Airways is fine. ;) I agree it's close and maybe should tell sami to change his ICAO code, but the name is fine. ;)
in ATB https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3440/ Vayudoot airline in DEL
not sure whether it will apply but this airline got bankrupt in 1980's (early)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vayudoot REAL life
cheers
VJC
not quite sure about that one, but he should be fine. ;)
JetAge2:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline213
->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Wings_Airlines
Original name: Red Wings
Name in Game: Red Wing
sorry. but this polish player used the wrong way....... :-\
Air Travel Boom:
Minoan Air
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3302
has the exact same logo as Garuda Indonesia (GIA/GA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia
http://www.garuda-indonesia.com/
it isn't the same logo as Garuda Indonesia just updated and when they do so, they no longer hold any rights towards the item. ;)
it still the same to me though. the 'garuda' logo on Garuda Indonesia is the same with the bird logo in Minoan. with very little difference in the color scheme and the eye of the 'garuda' is missing in Minoan's. but basically, they are still the same with each other.
he's fine. ;)
what about the issue "red wings" ?
yes, because I actually know a friend of mine who flew on the airline not three months ago, and according to him there was no sign of bankruptcy looming, so the guy mentioned should be at fault. ;)
Cheers,
ICEcold
ok. red wing is okay ? :o
so, my next airline will be iberias or lufthansas or how about deltas
no, he is at fault! it should go! ;) He isn't allowed to have that name. ;)
Jet Age #2;
OutBack Airlines
http://www.outbackair.com.au/ (http://www.outbackair.com.au/)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline133/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline133/)
Trans Global Airways
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline14/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline14/)
http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/TransGlobal%20Airways.htm (http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/TransGlobal%20Airways.htm)
American Express
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline19/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline19/)
https://home.americanexpress.com (https://home.americanexpress.com)
Phoenix Air
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline360/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline360/)
http://www.phoenixair.com/home.php (http://www.phoenixair.com/home.php)
Quote from: THI on July 02, 2010, 07:51:44 AM
JetAge2:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline213
->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Wings_Airlines
Original name: Red Wings
Name in Game: Red Wing
sorry. but this polish player used the wrong way....... :-\
WHY IS NOBODY DOING SOMETHING AGAINST THAT ????
it seems to be that way, that sami want me first to go bankrupt before closing red wings ?
this is absolutely not acceptable. this player not only abuse the trademarks of the russian airline, he also does not play fair because he is abusing the TOS.
i would be happy to get an answer.
Quote from: THI on July 06, 2010, 05:11:37 AM
it seems to be that way, that sami want me first to go bankrupt before closing red wings ?
this is absolutely not acceptable. this player not only abuse the trademarks of the russian airline, he also does not play fair because he is abusing the TOS.
i would be happy to get an answer.
Sami's not going to close anyone. He asks them to change their name and gives them a bit of time to do it. Whatever happens with Red Wings regarding their name isn't going to prevent your airline from bankrupting if this airline is causing your some competitive problems, so there's no reason to whine that it isn't happening immediately.
The point of this thread is to keep sami from getting sued, not to close down your competitors. You report it and you're done. Whatever does or doesn't happen with that airline and their name doesn't effect your, your airline, or your game one bit.
you are not right.
to play with a real airline name is not fair. i will not discuss. everything you do against the TOU is not fair.
also the trademark of this airline is used and that is not legal. i have made screenshots already. there was time enough
to react. nobody is doing anything.
You better calm down THI.
In Air Travel Boom: JetAirways
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2003/
In real life: Jet Airways
http://www.jetairways.com/
why ? @sami
i am right or not ????
not fair is not fair.
if anyone puts in 200 % over demand or if anyone is using real world airline name, it is the same abuse against the terms of use.
it does not matter if it affects me or anyone.
What I mean that things do not happen overnight and there is time allowance to reply/fix, so no need to get heated about such things.
you should know me now a bit. i am here some time and very active.
sometimes i sound a bit aggressive, but i am not. i cannot sleep the last 2 days because i am soooooooooo afraid of the cockroach in cuba (and maybe there are spiders and maybe there is all full with drunken ugly canadians)...... maybe this is, why i am a bit, lets say overheated.
and when i see the oil prices in ATB and
when i see, that fleet comm is not any important in JA2, i am more heated because my strategies are not working that well ;D
by the way: what is the time limit ?
this guy must make the rename sami. IT IS A MUST !!!!!!!
and you cannot give there soooooooooo much time, because he has the money to do it. and an abuse is an abuse. it must be done.
I am still the one who enforces the rules, so once again there is no reason to get jumpy.
And rebranding in these cases is free for airlines. Time limit is a few days to reply from the time I send a msg. to him.
Airline: TransWorld Airlines
using exact real name and logo in ATB https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3524
Air America
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3578
using real world livery
Air Travel Boom ;)
Air Travel Boom:
Jazeera Airways based at Kuwait ;)
Jet Age #2
Founded some minutes ago
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline694/ Jeti Blue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetBlue_Airways JetBlue Airways / JetBlue Corporation
C A Airways
( https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline419 )
in the world "The Modern Times #2) is using Benfica's football teams logo in his logo. ( http://www.slbenfica.pt/ )
Sincerly
Mr. Freak
Soutern AirLines sounds suspiciously similar to Southern Airways...
ATB: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4001/
Real Airline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Airways
Quote from: raptorva on July 22, 2010, 11:46:44 PM
Soutern AirLines sounds suspiciously similar to Southern Airways...
ATB: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4001/
Real Airline: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Airways
That's absurd. Use some common sense
MT2 biggest airline CA Airways (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline419) is using a football team logo
Sport Lisboa e Benfica (http://www.slbenfica.pt/index.asp)
P.S. I don't consider this a serious issue, but anyway rules are rules. ;)
Quote from: ekaneti on July 24, 2010, 02:22:35 PM
That's absurd. Use some common sense
+1 c'mon guys, we're not playing sharads here. "Sounds like" is not in any way a copy right issue on it's own, "Thai Be Airlines" is that a dissallowed name just becuase it sounds like "Fly Be"??
Quote from: filipebravo on July 25, 2010, 02:59:25 AM
MT2 biggest airline CA Airways (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline419) is using a football team logo
Sport Lisboa e Benfica (http://www.slbenfica.pt/index.asp)
P.S. I don't consider this a serious issue, but anyway rules are rules. ;)
If it's not serious and in my opinion not valid, why post?
Oh my got, I sometimes still open an airline under CityLinQ brand which is in First Great Western look alike colours.... ;D
Well, my airlines currently uses BR Rail Blue and Western Maroon and Tan! :P
Quote from: ban2 on July 25, 2010, 10:03:24 AM
If it's not serious and in my opinion not valid, why post?
:laugh: :laugh:
I knew it. Chill out mate. CA Airways is member of your alliance, I know, BUT: when I actually spent some hours drawing my own logo, don't think it's fair when other guys just copy logos around the world, whoever they belong to. Just my $0.02....
Jazz Airways in ATB: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4054
Jazz Air LP: http://www.flyjazz.ca/en/home/default.aspx
Beginners World: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline537/
Real life: http://www.flypremiair.com/index.htm & also the former Premiair, now owned by Thomas Cook Airlines Scandinavia.
Air Travel Boom: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4282/ Emorates Airlines
Real-World: http://www.emirates.com/ Emirates Airlines
Beginners World: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline448/
Airline Name : AirAmerican
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg825.imageshack.us%2Fimg825%2F5318%2Fairamerican.gif&hash=52e45774230022e192a1d93f5cdc2dedf1dcc79c)
This logo like American Airline.
Real life: http://www.aa.com , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.i4gs.com%2Fspaw2%2Fuploads%2Fspaw%2Fimages%2F800px-American-Airlines-Logo_svg.png&hash=73137a9582f3db809627f92842513dd66a4a6b8f)
Air Travel Boom
Airline Name: ANA Airways (All Nippon Airways)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4336/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4336/)
Real World: ANA (All Nippon Airways)
http://www.ana.co.jp/ (http://www.ana.co.jp/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Nippon_Airways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Nippon_Airways)
MT#2
Airline:
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline3924
IBERIAmerica
Logo and name from Iberia, http://www.iberia.com
MT#2 Piedmont Airways
RL: http://piedmont-airlines.com/
MT#2
In Game: Airborne Express
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4065/
Real Life: Airborne Express
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_Express
Not sure if defunct airlines count
Quote from: N101PA on August 12, 2010, 06:08:39 PM
MT#2
In Game: Airborne Express
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4065/
Real Life: Airborne Express
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_Express
Not sure if defunct airlines count
Airborne was not really a passenger airline. It was something like Fedex or UPS.
Ok cool, didnt know what constituted using a realworld airline name.
Thanks
- PA
I guess this airline name has been used a couple of millions of times by many different players...
In ATB: https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4355 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4355) [TransWorld Airways|TWA]
I don't think that I need to post the Wikipedia article about Trans World Airlines anymore, do I?
In MT#2:
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Jet Age 2 -- Middle Eastern Airways
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline66/ (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline66/)
Real Life -- Middle East Airlines (aka MEA)
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Middle-East-Airlines/Airbus-A330-243/1762591/&sid=44dc14b7860c13e3187f63cf09572d36 (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Middle-East-Airlines/Airbus-A330-243/1762591/&sid=44dc14b7860c13e3187f63cf09572d36)
Jet Age 2
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1121/
TransWorld Airlines
okay, that must be number 2798 with Trans World Airlines...
And I think EVERYONE heard of TWA before....
Quote from: Jona L. on August 19, 2010, 04:02:34 PM
okay, that must be number 2798 with Trans World Airlines...
And I think EVERYONE heard of TWA before....
properly not ;D
This isn't a realworld name, but there are now two BritishAtlantic airlines in Alliance Challenge. Technically, one BritishAtlantic and one British Atlantic. Since BritishAtlantic came first, and is in my alliance, I wondered if sami could have British Atlantic change its name.
We have a gofly in the alliance game
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline104
same as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Fly
Quote from: Minto Typhoon on August 19, 2010, 11:33:56 PM
We have a gofly in the alliance game
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline104
same as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Fly
Got absorbed by easyJet I think.... Or was it Ryanair... ;)
Easyjet bought them for £374million
In MT2 there's a LOT Airlines (don't know if that's too similar to LOT Polish Airlines..), which uses LOT's real world logo.
Quote from: T8KE0FF on August 20, 2010, 08:31:09 AM
Got absorbed by easyJet I think.... Or was it Ryanair... ;)
easyJet
I used to work for go-fly.
Quote from: Minto Typhoon on August 20, 2010, 04:02:27 PM
easyJet
I used to work for go-fly.
Must say it sounded like a great airline, just finishing Barbara Cassani's book.
Loganair, just started at Dundee in Air Travel Boom.
TOR Air in ATB, https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4690/
Swedish company called Tor Air operates 1 737-400, website http://www.torair.com/
Gols Linhas Brasileiras in game TMT#2
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4245 (https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4245)
Gol Linhas Aéreas in real life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gol_Transportes_A%C3%A9reos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gol_Transportes_A%C3%A9reos)
(https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.imageshack.us%2Fimg825%2F5897%2Fgolyg.jpg&hash=60651b728d697b7089dddd9e08f7ecba0553b6c4)
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline221/
The company exist in real in denmark
http://www.sunair.dk/
https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=42644
using northwest's old logo
Strategic is a real airline in Australia.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline247/
http://www.flystrategic.com.au/
Cityhopper https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4810/ in ATB.
Cityhopper is a brand name of KLM Cityhopper
Sling Air. Very similar to Singapore Airlines' low cost airline Silk Air.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline287
http://www.silkair.com/mbe/en_UK/
Not similar at all...
It is in my opinion.
Out of interest, could you have Bryanair? Or Brianair?
Quote from: T8KE0FF on September 04, 2010, 06:55:43 PM
It is in my opinion.
Out of interest, could you have Bryanair? Or Brianair?
Sorry T8AKEOFF but why don't you just RTFM for once?
Quote from: Maarten Otto on September 04, 2010, 08:15:44 PM
Sorry T8AKEOFF but why don't you just RTFM for once?
Why all his posts are this niveau? Maybe it's because he's 14, maybe it's because of some other issues he has.
True, but you also know - just as I do - that everything you need to know is documented and easy to find. And I am getting the feeling he knows exactly what he needs to know but is trying people out... Something most poeople his age do.
Nope, after talking to him in skype and via PM I just think he isn't very clever...
Jet Age 2
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline1246/
TransWorld Airlines (TWA)
What does RFTM mean? :)
And no, im not that clever! Im just me :)
Im Marshall, 14, half scottish, half english, pretty average, nothing special! thats me :D
Quote from: Maarten Otto on September 04, 2010, 08:15:44 PM
Sorry T8AKEOFF but why don't you just RTFM for once?
And you spelt my username wrong ;)
Hmmmm TWA... Wasn't that standing for Try With Another? ;D
Quote from: RushmoreAir on September 04, 2010, 11:35:34 PM
Read the F****** Manual
oooooh! nahh. read some if it a while ago. it was boring!
it should be in YouTube videos to make it more intresting. ;D
Quote from: T8KE0FF on September 05, 2010, 10:58:45 AM
oooooh! nahh. read some if it a while ago. it was boring!
it should be in YouTube videos to make it more intresting. ;D
Not everything is about having fun in life believe me.
Quote from: Maarten Otto on September 05, 2010, 11:14:07 AM
Not everything is about having fun in life believe me.
Well if there is no fun in life, whats the point of living!
Life should be enjoyed, not endured 8)
jetBlue Airways in ATB, complete with a logo.
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline4868/
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