Quick beta available

[jkotinis]

some more details for the 2 issues

1.  at first image we can see 3 exactly same flights in scheduler. as you can see , the third one misses one day on the diagram (possibly because it starts on 22:50 and somehow there is a miscalculation somewhere in the code.
Flight details EGGL (LHR)  at 22:50 to Melbourne, YMML (MEL) with a tech stop at VYMD with A340

2. On second issue, we create the above flight and set the turnaround time at 430 minutes (7:10 hours), well beyond the default turnaround time as defined in the settings.
When we create a copy of this flight (for the same or the next day) then the turnaround time is not copied. Instead we see the default again

[Sami]

Ctrl Click or Mouse Wheel Click, that normally open a new tab, instead consider the click to be a regular click (hence, we stay in the same tab).

It's a browser issue, but I added now a crude fix to it .. it tries to detect if you click on the airport link with ctrl button down, and if detected it opens a new window (or tab if set so in browser settings). Not tested outside Firefox yet.

Immediately after creating a route, links such as:
Leg 1: KLAX - CYFB - LIRF
don't open the details of the individual legs.

OK.

In 1.3, a tech stop route shows the tech stop on the map that is part of the demand graph pop up.  The tech stop(s) don't appear on the new 1.31.

Should not appear in first place.

Not a bug in the new version per se, but in the past 24 hours I had reserved a 717 with just over an year remaining until D check and it disappeared while I was fiddling with loans and configurations (even though I don't think I spent 3 minutes doing that).

The plane can only disappear from the market if the 3 minute window was used.

currently trying to open route, using google chrome is searching for europe fine but when i select a destination just says loading constantly

Works just fine here with Chrome, clear the cache.

2. Also when I try to create a copy of the flight for the next day or even the same day then each time I need to readjust the turnaround time to 7:10 since on each copy of the flight the turnaround time resets to default of the plane. Tried that without tech stop and it works. With tech stop you have to adjust the turnaround time on each copy

OK.

1.  when I schedule the plane  then on scheduler the flight seem to be shorter than the normal one ( I have 2 same flights on the same plane ex WWWA in case you can see my

OK.

[Jona L.]

It's a browser issue, but I added now a crude fix to it .. it tries to detect if you click on the airport link with ctrl button down, and if detected it opens a new window (or tab if set so in browser settings). Not tested outside Firefox yet.

Would be awesome if that could work in Opera too... maybe not even the CTRL-Click, but the "right click --> Open in new Tab" kind of thing, as that used to be really good...
currently I need to go a pretty crazy way, which is to enter departure and destination airport in the URL-Line and press Shift-Enter to open that in a new tab... the priorly described (or CTRL-Click) would make life a lot easier, and routes opening/planning much more efficient and less time consuming.

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Yet I must call this beta a great success in terms of design and usability. As a feature to coming games I'd like to bring up an older idea of mine again: speed servers with 10 (or if that is too fast 20) minute game days for faster walkthrough, as usually the first couple of years into a game are pretty boring as there is nothing much to do, except for waiting.
Additionally I'd like (for easier maths) to call back (as asked for by many people many times before my break) the 30 minute game days (no need for discussion, just bringing up the thought again, so it does not get forgotten ) .

One last point (something I made you crazy with long ago, dear Mr. Puro) when is the "long" game world going to be scheduled? Can we expect that through 2012, or is it worth taking a longer break until 2X00?!


Cheers

[Jona L.]

I'm not sure if this is a bug, but I've not seen it before. For a 0:00 night curfew, it shows both 0 and 24.



Just a note, the 'Route Timetables' on the airline information page would be great to view in chronological order.

That is purely random not only one pair of Airports having that... consider it for the sake of variety

[alexgv1]

Don't people just middle mouse button click to open in a new tab rather than ctrl+left mouse button... Do people only have two buttoned mouses or can it just not be configured in their browsers?

[Jona L.]

Don't people just middle mouse button click to open in a new tab rather than ctrl+left mouse button... Do people only have two buttoned mouses or can it just not be configured in their browsers?

Always when I use middle mouse button (which is my mousewheel) I pull down half the page... so I stay conservative might be that others have the same problem

[Sami]

For info - I haven't had time to finish the interface on choosing the second techstop, but will attempt to do that during weekend.

[ICEcoldair881]

I know it's a bit late, but it says the quick beta will be ending soon and that I cannot join - is it truly ending or will you be extending it?

Cheers,
ICEcold

[Jona L.]

I know it's a bit late, but it says the quick beta will be ending soon and that I cannot join - is it truly ending or will you be extending it?

Cheers,
ICEcold

Sami has never extended a game world in the history of this page... IIRC it has some technical issues, so don't expect it to happen!!

[Meicci]

I'm not 100% shure if this have been said earlier, but when I created A-B-C-A route, it doesn't show the actual route in my route map.

It is around the world -route from Narita to Washington via Jomo Kenyatta.

[psw231]

 Is it a bug that in Jan 2010 that only the 787-8 has been announced and niether the 787-3/9 has been?
None of the A350 versions are to be seen yet either.

[markj23]

Sad to see this world actually come to an end - i guess its because its one of the few were i could get in early and establish myself at a large airport

In terms of bugs, the only real one i have noticed is that when trying to create a route (by clicking on the green tick) it can sometimes stay on Loading for ever. I dont think its a cache issue as if i go into another game world it works fine, I have tried on different OS/Browser combinations and when the issue happens it seems to stick around for a while.

Loving the small numbers & 10min days. It does make the game more interesting for the newer players

[alin2s1]

Loving the small numbers & 10min days. It does make the game more interesting for the newer players

Agree 
Can't wait for the next game with 10min days and more start-up money 

[Jona L.]

I'm not 100% shure if this have been said earlier, but when I created A-B-C-A route, it doesn't show the actual route in my route map.

It is around the world -route from Narita to Washington via Jomo Kenyatta.

Done to avoid spamming of the route maps. Used to be like that in the "Airport Route Maps" and I assume it has been moved to the Airline's one as well. I kinda like that

Is it a bug that in Jan 2010 that only the 787-8 has been announced and niether the 787-3/9 has been?
None of the A350 versions are to be seen yet either.

Only Aircraft actually becoming available before the game ends are announced/able to order. Since the game is only going another 5 mths ingame it is pretty understandable why none of these have yet come up.
That the -8 is the only of the 787 series is simply due to the random release dates of the aircraft (modified to be +/-18mths around the real world one --> can be anywhere in a 3 year diameter around that day, which can lead to these distortions)

Agree  
Can't wait for the next game with 10min days and more start-up money  

Wait for the next Beta. Speed servers had been discussed pretty a while ago, and IIRC been declined.

Sad to see this world actually come to an end.

Indeed, sad it is!! Always loving the betas

It does make the game more interesting for the newer players

Have you yet tried the "beginners world"-scenario?! That should fit the needs of newer players well


I hope I could help!

cheers,
Jona L.

[markj23]

Have you yet tried the "beginners world"-scenario?! That should fit the needs of newer players well

Yep, but it really takes a few goes in a real game world to understand the mistakes your making and realise how the bigger players do it. And for me it doesn't help that im on the other side of the world so timezone differences really dont help in the big 500-600 player game worlds - you lose out in the sense you cant get into the bigger bases as most decent slots/routes are already getting hammered etc.

So thats why i think smaller worlds, faster game times and shorter games - ie a month (real world) would suit better. Maybe tiered versions of the games could work. Something like

Advanced
30min days
Starting Cash Factor x1

Intermediate
20min days
starting cash factor x5
Limited to 2 games before having to play advanced

Beginner
10min days
starting cash factor x10
Limited to 3 games before having to play intermediate

Some other rules could be tweaked a little, but it gives natural progression through the game and the shorter game worlds and more starting cash gives the beginners the instant reward that most are looking for.

[Jona L.]

Yep, but it really takes a few goes in a real game world to understand the mistakes your making and realise how the bigger players do it. And for me it doesn't help that im on the other side of the world so timezone differences really dont help in the big 500-600 player game worlds - you lose out in the sense you cant get into the bigger bases as most decent slots/routes are already getting hammered etc.

So thats why i think smaller worlds, faster game times and shorter games - ie a month (real world) would suit better. Maybe tiered versions of the games could work. Something like

Advanced
30min days
Starting Cash Factor x1

Intermediate
20min days
starting cash factor x5
Limited to 2 games before having to play advanced

Beginner
10min days
starting cash factor x10
Limited to 3 games before having to play intermediate

Some other rules could be tweaked a little, but it gives natural progression through the game and the shorter game worlds and more starting cash gives the beginners the instant reward that most are looking for.

I really like that you come up with ideas, maybe copy-paste that part into the "Feature Request" part of the forum.

You are actually lucky that you have the BW scenarios, when I started AWS 2.5yrs ago I was in the big bad games immediately after the demo. Took me 5 BKs to get my first airline running (from MLA with about 10 planes in the end) and after I got some Ideas from the game I tried LHR, which from then on was nearly always my main hub.

My suggestion to you is pretty easily makeable:

Read all the topics about newcomer strategies (Curse's FAQ is also decent), and maybe write down core parts of that [by hand gives the brain the best memory effect ]

Get into a game and search for some nice class 3 or 4 airport and try to get a small airline running profitably (mind not to take too small planes as these will be your undertakers) and work it out to make cash.

Once you got that done try an airport a bit larger and use larger planes as well, maybe start some Long Haul routes.

When you got that managed well, after some experiments to maximize efficiency (such as 7-day-scheduling, etc.) and you feel self confident for a big one, go for that and try. If it won't work out the first time try to find out what your problem was (and don't blame competition, that is by far not your biggest enemy at first) and fix it.

If you want help, don't hesitate to ask via PM.

cheers,
Jona L.

[Meicci]

The current game world system just isn't enough. For experienced players it is, because they always have a good start, and enjoy the "cruise"-part of the game, because it ain't so hectic.

But for us who doesn't always get a good start, 3-4 month games are annoyingly long. Now, when the test server ended, I have to wait for over 2 months to start a new airline (I personally hate JA, so don't point that out please).

All the airports, where I would like to build up an airline, are taken in current game worlds with at least two big airlines already in there. So only thing I can do is to wait for a restart, unfortunately.

Are there anyone else who enjoys only (or mostly) the first years of a game world? For me, the best thing in AWS is the start, and after that, things get boring. 1-2 month game worlds with a little faster days (20-25mins) would be absolutely perfect in my opinion.

[alexgv1]

Game world extended to 2020.

[Meicci]

Game world extended to 2020.

Wow, nice. But the time seems to be stuck now at 23:59.

[maple]

Wow, nice. But the time seems to be stuck now at 23:59.

...And the day length has set at 90 minutes...