Air Boom Game Used Aircraft Market - Frustrating anyone?

[Filippo]

sorry, what was wrong with the old aircraft market ( the one in game 1-3). This new one is creating all sorts of broblems and the game is not as fun as it was before. Now it's a bit frustrating because, since ques are long and no good aircrafts are present, chances to catch up are always smaller. I remember that with my first airline during the first period I continued leasing and I waited to reach an amount so that I could lease that DC10. Now i have millions in he bank but nothing decent to spend on that will arrive soon.

My suggestion is to increase drammatically the amount of aircrafts on the used market.

[flygresor]

2 x Concorde
10 x Ilyushin Il-62M
2 x Tupolev Tu-144

This is really really boring... 2h later (2000 miles+):

4 x Concorde
15 x Ilyushin Il-62M
1 x Tupolev Tu-144

[Sami]

I've written before, for example here, that aircraft cannot just magically appear to the world and that's what we're after here. Certain number of aircraft have been built of each model and if all of them are in use with the airlines then there cannot be any more of those unless more are ordered as new models.

I'd expect some popular models to appear after the first firms start going bust soon. The basic concept of the used aircraft market will not change but some tuning/minor adjustments will always be made - end of story.

[toyotaboy95]

The used aircraft market has gotten worse since the changes. I like the changes that were made, but something in the implementation has caused even fewer aircraft to appear in the used market. I've added 3 planes in the past 4 real life days of pretty regular checking of the market. I just feel lucky to have the 30 planes I have now, because it would be impossible to grow an airline right now since next to zero long haul aircraft show up in the used market anymore and the queues for every single long range aircraft from MD-11s to 747-400s to A340s are 4 years long or more. Air Travel Boom #1 is basically unplayable at this point. A select few were able to build up enough planes when the market actually produced some and now they have monopolized new aircraft production with stupidly large orders for 50 leased 747-400s and such. We will never have a chance to catch them at this point. Sami, I am absolutely begging you, please do not start Air Travel Boom #2 without the new production slot system.

exactly. that's why i quit and BKed.

[arjanhak]

I'd expect some popular models to appear after the first firms start going bust soon.

Well hopefully a lot of companies are bankrupted then very soon. Now it's just hoping that I'm at the PC right when that happens, because currently the Boeing market in Jet Age is really disappointing me, to put it nicely.
3-5 years waiting for a new plane - no clue if I want those planes then. Or if there will still be routes available by then. Especially now that I'm a small player, this is a huge risk.

I'm definitely enjoying this game much less than game 1.

[bukatino2000]

I've written before, for example here, that aircraft cannot just magically appear to the world and that's what we're after here. Certain number of aircraft have been built of each model and if all of them are in use with the airlines then there cannot be any more of those unless more are ordered as new models.

I'd expect some popular models to appear after the first firms start going bust soon. The basic concept of the used aircraft market will not change but some tuning/minor adjustments will always be made - end of story.

I fully agree. Tuning "bankrupcy rate"   for those involved --  can provide at the end enough planes on the market.

[Brockster]

Yeah, I kind of think that, while the current used market stinks (it's probably worse because the new ordering system isn't in these games), it will have a good result. Once airlines starting BKing, along with brokers, I think it will all work out. A lot of those airlines ordering 150+ planes at once (one in particular which ordered over 150 747s) is going to have a rough time unless they really have a good strategy and a lot of free time.

I think the new used market is fine. We just need a better plane ordering system which sami has said numerous times is in development.

[Dorito_25]

I went in it not long ago and I ordered a 737-300 brand new because there was no good jet planes for a reasonable leasing price in the Used Aircraft. I thought, yep a great plane to start the business. It told me that I would get it in the next 2 years (game time). I was like "WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! "   

The most i saw that ordered the 737 was about 20 i think but I was the 134th person to order it, so it all added up. I decided to quit it and wait for the next Air Travel Boom game with the new ordering system. Which I hope is soon. The problem is, people going well with there airlines can afford to get 150+ 747's and people only wanting one or two have to wait afterwards. I'm pretty sure anyways.

[cookie930]

I too noted that thanks to huge orders by rich airlines order slots are banked for many years for example these are the earliest month you can get the below aircraft-
A320 Group-October 2002
A330 Group-January 2002
Early 737's-December 1999
757 Group-January 1999
767 Group-October 2000

October 2002 for A320's that's not for 6 game years or over one month in real time.Now if were paying for a game I dont think we want to have to be scouting the used aircraft market all the time nor halt our expansion for 6 game years. There needs to be a limit on the amount one person can order from a certain production list and it needs to be lower than 50 aircraft. There are companies that have 140+ aircraft in service with 175+ orders. Come on I think we all want a fair game!

[Filippo]

as i said, this could be solved if there were more used aircraft to lease.

[Kontio]

as i said, this could be solved if there were more used aircraft to lease.

Would these used aircraft just appear out of thin air? There was a certain amount of aircraft in the beginning of the game and, surprise, the popular ones were the first to run out. Let's wait for companies to bankrupt, renew their fleets, just sell or lease out their aircraft for profit or to raise some cash. One of the biggest downsides of this game has been the lack of a user-driven used aircraft market and the changes in the used market have been a step in the right direction, IMHO. Now the problem is that the current aircraft ordering system is (Umm... How should i put it?) crap, but that should be fixed in the next version.

[Filippo]

infact, the new aircraft production system is "crap" (I would use slow) because there are not enough decent used aircraft.

[Brockster]

Would these used aircraft just appear out of thin air? There was a certain amount of aircraft in the beginning of the game and, surprise, the popular ones were the first to run out. Let's wait for companies to bankrupt, renew their fleets, just sell or lease out their aircraft for profit or to raise some cash. One of the biggest downsides of this game has been the lack of a user-driven used aircraft market and the changes in the used market have been a step in the right direction, IMHO. Now the problem is that the current aircraft ordering system is (Umm... How should i put it?) crap, but that should be fixed in the next version.

Agreed completely.

[Kontio]

infact, the new aircraft production system is "crap" (I would use slow) because there are not enough decent used aircraft.

As far as I know used aircraft are no longer "produced" as the game progresses. Many players call that crap/slow, I call it realistic and good for the game. In the old used aircraft generation system it was as if there was a parallel universe where airlines ordered new aircraft, flew them on routes for a number of years and when they wanted to get rid of them the aircraft were sent through a wormhole to our game universe to be sold on the used market. In the current model there was a limited number of used aircraft available in the beginning to account for airlines in the past (which for some reason disappeared when the game began ) and to get us started. Now that the game is running where do we get more used aircraft? Well, new aircraft tend to turn into used aircraft when someone uses them for a while. Those aircraft appear on the used market when owners/lessees decide to let them go. Just my 3 cents.

[yyebo]

Well, it is right to keep it as realisitc as possible, I totally agree with it.

However, there're 3355 Boeing planes delivered between 1989-1996 in real world, considering we only have 1764 in service in Boom Age. I feel that maybe the used planes especially for Boeing and Airbus were "generated" not enough at the first place.

When the route is empty and you don't have planes, that would be panic.

Now we only can hope some big players get busted, but without much competetion, less bankrupcies will occur as most of us are 2nd gen players.

Before I spent 2 hours a day with this game, now I spend much less time because I got nothing much to do.

[Jps]

Also remember, that many bigger companies have made their big orders to replace their older fleet. What this means, is that it's very likely that more used aircraft appear on the market as soon as the new deliveries are starting to come.

[Filippo]

I think that I should change my user name to DC10 lover

According to Wikipedia, a total of 446 DC 10 were made, but according to the aircraft statistics page there are only 164 in game. That means that there are almost 300 of these planes missing!

Lets also say that 200 of these planes have been scarpped, were did the other go? I think that those planes.. (about hundred)would certainly help the used market

[yyebo]

Also remember, that many bigger companies have made their big orders to replace their older fleet. What this means, is that it's very likely that more used aircraft appear on the market as soon as the new deliveries are starting to come.

It makes sense but if I am the big player the first thing is not replace my old fleet as long as they still can generate profit. I will use the new arrived planes to serve empty routes so you can't just rely on that.

Sami wishes a player supplied used market would be established, however certainly there is a such big gap.

[Filippo]

Sami, please, increase the number of used planes. I am really spending my entire week ends to look for planes (especially DC10) without findoing even one. In the past 4 days I only snatched 1.

Pretty please

[bukatino2000]

Sami, please, increase the number of used planes. I am really spending my entire week ends to look for planes (especially DC10) without findoing even one. In the past 4 days I only snatched 1.

Pretty please

Hi Filippo, things are that there are currently 9050 members in the game each one having needs, is important to understand it!