Air Boom Game Used Aircraft Market - Frustrating anyone?

[swiftus27]

Warning: Completely unrelated

I am actually loving this. 

Make the game more expensive based on the size class of the airport you are going to base yourself in.  They already have a numerical value, why not make the game 10cr + airport size. 

Idea #2:  To be tied into idea #1

Once you have owned and operated an airline, you can never use the same base city ever again.

This way, people will filter to all other airports.  It also helps those of us trying to have fun at a non-giant airport an incentive.  Lastly, this will force Margic Carpet, Chang, and those few professional F5 pressers, to have to learn new tactics.

To me, this sort of helps with the problem.  But it is only a causal relationship.

[bukatino2000]

The way things goes on at the moment are not properly nice, I'm also of this opinion. On the other side if one could grab a "good plane" every 5 min. you also were part of those people dominate the game or in alternative each player could enjoy hundreds of a/c within the home base.

Refresh the used market at random time is a basic shortly step to put all the player in an equal position but it do not represent  "the solution" to avoid mega airlines. Collecting plane is certainly an option but do not has to be the only option in playing the game as it is now. It is not possible to have and/or to put in order so many planes after only few months game playing. I think this is a strategic simulation and thus every step should be more accurate and ponderated. Not just smash on F5 as collegues said!!

As the game is now I do not found it tragic if you need 3+ years to obtain a new plane but the problem is what to do in the meantime?? Refresh and  refresh and refresh ?? c'mon...

I really believe this game is something special but it risks seriously to bore to death if you do not make something. I´m too sure Sami will think that up

[digifreak]

Well... yeah... this game needs a major rework on the plane market... right now I am just bored to death with it... and really tired.

[swiftus27]

Idea #3:
  Limit orders per day to three.
  Give us a bunch more money.
  Used market only user generated.  This means that only users can put planes on the market.
  Bankrupt airlines don't go to the used market (or if they do, it must be spread out over time... consider them to be a part of the bankruptcy proceedings)

Yes, this would make for a very slow startup.   It can be done very easily right now without major programming.  Perhaps start a new game this way???

[Jps]

Idea #3:
  Limit orders per day to three.

Already active, since 30 minutes ago, reported in Changelog.

Give us a bunch more money.

At which stage? In the beginning? Now?
If in the beginning, it makes no change, and the money issue was already tested in Beta. It's no use giving too much money.
If you mean to give it now, what's the meaning? If everyone just goes and buys all the planes they need at the same time, there's no skill at all. If you just want to get all the planes you want, play a private game.

Used market only user generated.  This means that only users can put planes on the market.

This is the goal already, but since the game is limited time only, there has to be computer generated aircraft or no1 would get any aircraft at start. It would also take years until airplanes became available in the used aircraft market. Also, since this game tries to be as accurate in terms of real life as it can be, it would be unrealistic to start in 2000 and have no used aircraft whatsoever.

Bankrupt airlines don't go to the used market (or if they do, it must be spread out over time... consider them to be a part of the bankruptcy proceedings)

I believe this is how it goes, not sure, though. But there has been discussion about this, so I believe it is implemeted.

[digifreak]

Well... what I think is that right now that new rule will only prevent smaller players to get even with the big ones since most of them have been able to snatch dozens of ac's from the used market. The thing is that since the game have already started and you have already really big airlines... THEY will always have this advantage over the others.

[Sami]

https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,3529.msg35465.html#msg35465

[bukatino2000]

The thing is that since the game have already started and you have already really big airlines... THEY will always have this advantage over the others.

try to understand also that game is in-developing and nobody is perfect... Sami is doing his best to face the many needs here around

[ukatlantic]

try to understand also that game is in-developing and nobody is perfect... Sami is doing his best to face the many needs here around

I agree with bukatino, I think that we cant really ask more of SAMI as this moment in time, he has listened to our frustrations (mine more than most  )  and he has adjusted the game sytem accordingly. Unfortunately nothing can be done about the 'big guns' in the current games; but hopefully if the adjustments SAMI has done work better and the market sytem is better than it has been, then the games now on in should be better for all. Hopefully all future games will also now have a more even playing field - esp if the times aircraft come to market are more random, but as I said for the moment I think SAMI has done as much as posible for the current games 

[Jps]

Wow.. Some 60% of the planes in Jet Age #1 vanished 
At least don't have to scroll through so many pages of unusable aircraft 

[Sundaypilot]

You could also think that bigger airlines just add realism.
There is always bigger and smaller airlines in real life, why not in AWS???

[Filippo]

Sami, I now this is stupid, but may I please have more DC 10 40 or 30 on the market please?

[Sami]

Sami, I now this is stupid, but may I please have more DC 10 40 or 30 on the market please?

Please read this:  https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,3529.msg35465.html#msg35465

[Williamsfilms]

Please read this:  https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,3529.msg35465.html#msg35465

Is the new aircraft market going to have faster production times?

[Jps]

Is the new aircraft market going to have faster production times?

No.?

[Filippo]

The DC 10 really disappear on the used market, and you can't buy them new. Can there please be more. This lack totally halted my expansion. I stayed a whole afternoon looking for them but i found none. Please, I now the market system has been updated, but there really are not enough DC10s (especially
DC10 - 30 and 40)

Thankyou

[flygresor]

* Used aircraft market is rotated every day (but with less planes than the previous weekly rotate). = Brokers put up more planes for sale and remove planes from sale that have been there for the longest time.

   * Aircraft are rotated on the list more efficiently. If the plane is not sold it is removed from the list faster. If the plane has been on the used list too many times, it will be scrapped as broker assumes there is no use / demand for that aircraft and they cannot sell it.

This is NOT working. In "Air Travel Boom" we have october 1996 now. I have been looking for used aircrafts hundreds of times during 1996 and i have seen the same aircrafts hundreds of times (range 2000+).

2 x Concorde
10 x Ilyushin Il-62M
2 x Tupolev Tu-144

No widebodys, no longrange, nothing interesting...

Waiting time for new widebody airplanes is at least 3-4 years.
So what can I do in meantime? nothing... can someone call me in 3 years?

Something have to change SOON!

[Filippo]

the problem is not that planes are released in the wrong time used market; the real problem is that there are not enough planes to lease. Especially the ones out of production like the DC 10, 707, L1011 and so on. After the release times of aircrafts, no we have to solve this problem.

[flygresor]

A small change that can make the game a little bit more realistic and make it easier for everyone to get an aircraft:
When an airlines bankruptcies I think that it should be a public information together with a date/time when the aircrafts will be released.
Maybe there can be some kind of auction, so the price, not "first click" will decide who will get the aircraft.

[blair21088]

The used aircraft market has gotten worse since the changes. I like the changes that were made, but something in the implementation has caused even fewer aircraft to appear in the used market. I've added 3 planes in the past 4 real life days of pretty regular checking of the market. I just feel lucky to have the 30 planes I have now, because it would be impossible to grow an airline right now since next to zero long haul aircraft show up in the used market anymore and the queues for every single long range aircraft from MD-11s to 747-400s to A340s are 4 years long or more. Air Travel Boom #1 is basically unplayable at this point. A select few were able to build up enough planes when the market actually produced some and now they have monopolized new aircraft production with stupidly large orders for 50 leased 747-400s and such. We will never have a chance to catch them at this point. Sami, I am absolutely begging you, please do not start Air Travel Boom #2 without the new production slot system.