Air Boom Game Used Aircraft Market - Frustrating anyone?

[ukatlantic]

Well if people are interested and will definately commit to paying for a private game, then if people log their interest here first, then maybe we can ask SAMI if he'll do a private game for us!

[Brockster]

As much as I want it to be done, I don't think it's a smart move right now. Sami mentioned opening up another Air Boom game so I think we should wait for this wave of games to get going before going any further. Unless that doesn't matter at all.

If we were to plan something like this, we would need to make sure we have the amount of people specified (it was difficult to get even 30 for the SKYLINK game and we are now down to 18).

[ukatlantic]

Yes I noticed that alot of people have quit Skylinks game, to be honest I think with that game the fact that it was only 30 people and also combined with it being just north America and Europe, put people off due to the limitations expansion wise, and sincethese new games have come online the numbers have dropped even further - or so it appears   

[Brockster]

Yeah, I understand why. I wish we could have just gone all out and have the whole world and not just N America and Europe.

[Dano]

I'll be more than interested in a privat game. This is just not do-able... Sit here behind the pc pressing F5 all day (i'm having a day off.. )

[ukatlantic]

Tell me about it - its ridiculous all the used aircraft that are avaialbe are rubbish russian or really really old! surely something can be done to improve the ration of western aircarft so everyone can get a bite of the cherry! 

[jamboy2378]

Maybe game worlds of only 200 players (first 200 who log in....too hard to round up 200 people) with a buy-in of 20 credits? That would satisfy people

[ukatlantic]

well to be honest i've been in a game world with 300 and that was manageable - i think once it hits over this number it is very very difficult to get decent used aircraft 

[Filippo]

sorryy to disturb, but what is a "privat game"?

Do you just play alone?

Thank-you

[ukatlantic]

a private game is limited to a set number of people; currently i am playing in airlinks private 30 which was 30 players with europe and north america continents only

[blair21088]

Skylink's private game was actualy really boring. Even limited to NA and Europe it was way to easy.

[Powi]

It's not about player slots available. It's the redone used aircraft generation script.

The Jet Age has under 300 players, but there is still total lack of used over 20pax aircraft.

Everything goes from used market including 15y old CV880/990s, DC-6s, DC7s etc...

Every half decent aircraft (all Airbus, Boeing, MD models and even aircraft like L1011, F27&28 and BAC 1-11 has over two years of production queues. Now even Russian aircraft queues are building up, because there is no way to expand if you visit the game only 10 times a day at random clock times.

[yyebo]

If you wish to have less players in one game just becaue you can't get a decent player, please read:

I spend a whole day yesterday, found out that everytime when new planes  put into used market, there's at most 6x A320 family, 6x B737 family, and maybe 4x MD80s.

At the starting stage, everyone is trying to grab those planes, how many planes whould remain there for 2 hours? I saw the entire Airbus and most of Boeings (besides 747s) were picked up within 5 mins!

To be honest, you can't simply limit the number of players to be able to get good planes in usded market.

Be patient please, to lease a brand new one, if the queue is too long, switch to another type; or maybe fly another route in some extreme cases.

There will be plenty of used plane available after the early stage, and many big players will went backrupt and you can catch them up then.

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Besides, sami is working on the ordering system for new planes, so in the next game (hopefully) we don't have to queue for too long to get a new plane.

[Sigma]

It's not about player slots available. It's the redone used aircraft generation script.

The Jet Age has under 300 players, but there is still total lack of used over 20pax aircraft.

Everything goes from used market including 15y old CV880/990s, DC-6s, DC7s etc...

Every half decent aircraft (all Airbus, Boeing, MD models and even aircraft like L1011, F27&28 and BAC 1-11 has over two years of production queues. Now even Russian aircraft queues are building up, because there is no way to expand if you visit the game only 10 times a day at random clock times.

The queues are long, but not quite "over 2 years".

The A300 has a 12-month queue.  The BAC 1-11, a 15-month queue.  The F27/28 have less than a 6-month queue (you've got to remember to remove the planes from the list that aren't availabe yet, they won't slow any order you put it now for a current model).  The Boeing and MD models do have some long queues though, which is why you're crazy to build an airline around them IMHO as they always end up this way.

I log-on roughly 2-3 times a day, and still manage to do just fine for myself.  I'll probably move over 400,000 passengers in the next 4 weeks and control over 30% of the DFW market, 3 times more than my nearest competitor.  Just stay away from the most popular models.  Sure, I scrounged the used market the first couple days, after that I bought almost all my planes new.  The key is to get in early and then just keep orders trickling in.  That way, though it'll take a couple months to get the first one, you'll still always be getting some out.  If you rely on Used and wait to put orders for new planes in, you'll end up so far behind the curve you'll never get one built.

[Powi]

The queues are long, but not quite "over 2 years".

The A300 has a 12-month queue.  The BAC 1-11, a 15-month queue.  The F27/28 have less than a 6-month queue (you've got to remember to remove the planes from the list that aren't availabe yet, they won't slow any order you put it now for a current model).  The Boeing and MD models do have some long queues though, which is why you're crazy to build an airline around them IMHO as they always end up this way.

I log-on roughly 2-3 times a day, and still manage to do just fine for myself.  I'll probably move over 400,000 passengers in the next 4 weeks and control over 30% of the DFW market, 3 times more than my nearest competitor.  Just stay away from the most popular models.  Sure, I scrounged the used market the first couple days, after that I bought almost all my planes new.  The key is to get in early and then just keep orders trickling in.  That way, though it'll take a couple months to get the first one, you'll still always be getting some out.  If you rely on Used and wait to put orders for new planes in, you'll end up so far behind the curve you'll never get one built.

I'm based in Canada, so I need aircraft with good range and medium capacity. Many alternate planes have too short range and too small or big capacity for my needs. I went to new plane market as soon as the used market was depleted an I do have over 50 planes on order. The problem was that only the first batch of DC-9s would arrive in 1976 and the rest are arriving 1977 and beyond. What to do in the mean time? Well TU-154s and IL-62s were ready to deliver so now I do have steady stream of aircraft coming in.

[ukatlantic]

The used markets in the current games are NOT good!  I log on early in the morning (7am) when I get back from work (6pm) and check again throughout the night until I go to bed (11pm) and I STILL can't get any semi decent used aircraft - it is intolerable! So muchso that I have to consider will I play these games again once they have finished - its ok saying place orders for new aircraft some only have w/t of 6 months _ GREAT - What do I do in the meantime to build up my airline!

[Ile]

It is very clear that used market is not good (in any game). And I think Sami knows that too
Major thing to correct is to make used marked equally good (or bad) for everyone. No matter whether you log on daily or hourly.

Here is my 2 cents:
- there should be only old aircrafts (at least 10+ years) in poor condition available
- there should always be aircrafts available
- there is no point to limit availability of old aircrafts

And new aircraft should cause better load factor than old one, which propably is already done.


Ile

[Richard9741]

The total number of players does seem to have made things a lot worse - I happened to notice when the planes appeared the previous week so out of desperation sat in front of the TV clicking refresh until they arrived the next time (more of less 7 days on).  Judging by how quickly the decent planes vanished I wasn't the only one (I think less than 2 minutes for all MD and Boeing).  It was a dull Sunday, I can get away with it - work and life preclude doing it again! 

Totally agree with having fewer players - I understand the economics involved but judging by the feedback I'm sure there would be plenty of people willing to pay a little more. 

Also, if planes can be generated gradually during the week that would be more realistic and mean that people who don't have time or inclination to camp out in the used markets have a chance of some aircraft while they wait for new planes to arrive... 

[ukatlantic]

Yes I know what you mean, I have checked out old and new aircaft and is is just as prohibitive especially when you have some greedy airlines out there that have ordered over 100 aircaft of a single type thus totally blocking new orders for years to come on that particular aircraft type - this is yet something else that always appears to crop up in the forums, so what hope have you got of getting anywhere in this game arena - simply far too frustrating 

[ekaneti]

I think youll see some new planes in Air Boom soon. There will be some bankruptcies. Just look at how poorly some airlines are doing.