(comments) AirwaySim v.1.3 news, previews & info

Started by Ilyushin, November 08, 2010, 01:02:10 PM

LemonButt

Quote from: JumboShrimp on December 09, 2013, 03:54:02 PM
And not doing heavy checks, either by returning the aircraft just prior, or hoping that a broker will buy an aircraft prior to D check, aircraft that is worth less than the price of D check, how is that not abusing the system?

I was talking about aircraft that end up on the used market for long periods...if you list an aircraft with 2 years left before a D-check and can't sell it (at any price) and are forced to do a D-check to keep it for sale, it's gonna hurt if you only have 20 aircraft.

brique

I think its been a bit missed in the mix of reactions, but one of the issues around it is that the AI brokers seem to have become very reluctant in buying aircraft, even well-maintained, reasonably aged and priced cheaply. My observation is that the AI brokers just dont buy as much as they used to : so, its not the case of arguing they should be buying any old garbage on the market but that they should be IN the market for fairly-priced decent hulls a bit more than they seem to be now, especially as the longer game worlds, which require far more re-fleets and upgrades, need more 'churn' of UM aircraft, not less.

as a side note : a 10-12yr old small aircraft ends up costing 10% of its value to d-check : thats not its market price, but its value : the market price can be far less and still not move it on : so the decision to d-check and keep it 'live' versus the decision to scrap and cut potential further loss ( having to c-check after another year or scrap it then) is likely to end up on the 'scrap' option. So, I reckon we'll see a lot fewer types on the market, which knock-on effect is a lot fewer types being flown ; we may see an increase in prices for the remaining types as fewer will be on offer and that old supply/demand will kick in as more players chase the favourites : but for some categories, like russian tin, well, sami might as well just clean them out of the database, they will just be space-filling curiosities...

Zombie Slayer

At the end of the day, we used a machine gun to kill a mosquito. What should have been done to the used market is to offer a filter to remove aircraft within 1 month of C check expiration and 1 year of D check expiration. This could even be the default set up. Instead, we now have to pay huge sums of cash to keep planes current on checks that would not have expired IRL because they are cycles and hours based as opposed to time based. If we must change the market to include maintenance requirements, the best solution is to freeze the C/D timer and make the aircraft deteriorate at a fixed rate. When a plane is sold/leased, the seller would be hit with a bill to bring the frame to flight worthy condition. If the plane sat for 5 years, 1 bill to bring the frame from 50% to, say, 85% would make far more sense than paying for 5 C checks and a D check on a plane that did not fly....

Don Collins of Ohio III, by the Grace of God of the SamiMetaverse of HatF and MT and of His other Realms and Game Worlds, King, Head of the Elite Alliance, Defender of the OOB, Protector of the Slots

Infinity

Quote from: JetWestInc on December 10, 2013, 04:37:13 AMInstead, we now have to pay huge sums of cash to keep planes current on checks that would not have expired IRL because they are cycles and hours based as opposed to time based.



That's probably not a valid argument for all the 'parking costs money in real life'-crybabies.

[ATA] StefanPeturs

I wanted to mention one thing that i noticed in recent changes,,,  payload vs. range.
As it was, you could schedule an aircraft on a longer route than its max full payload range was, but now when i was going to change a route of 2700nm to a 2570nm range aircraft I no longer have the option of doing that...

In my work, if i want to go max range, i am payload limited, and if i want to go max pax, then i am range limited... 

as we professionals know, that is not how it is in real life....

Sami

Quote from: [SC] StefanPeturs on December 10, 2013, 11:26:35 AM
I wanted to mention one thing that i noticed in recent changes,,,  payload vs. range.

Nothing on that side has changed in a long time.

JumboShrimp

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Quote from: [SC] - lilius on December 09, 2013, 11:12:32 AM
Myself I enjoy these changes mid game. Remember these games are ultra long now and a bit too static in my opinion. These changes wont be in any way gamebreaking for anyone either. In real life you cant start a company and be sure that settings will be equal until the game is over either. As it is now we can pretty much see into the future.

LOL, so AWS is more and more like RL.  In the US, Congress can pass a law that has retroactive effect.  Say, in February, that applies back to January.  Or even better, our tin pot dictator (Obama) can have a press conference and pull a new "law" out of his a$$.

So there is a great deal of unpredictability in RL, so if there is some in AWS, it is not a complete disaster...  Players will adjust...

Captim

Quote from: JumboShrimp on December 10, 2013, 08:18:48 PM
LOL, so AWS is more and more like RL.  In the US, Congress can pass a law that has retroactive effect.  Say, in February, that applies back to January.  Or even better, our tin pot dictator (Obama) can have a press conference and pull a new "law" out of his a$$.

So there is a great deal of unpredictability in RL, so if there is some in AWS, it is not a complete disaster...  Players will adjust...

Dude, this game isn't a democracy. No CPU game has ever been.

As for politics. I'll have a cup of tea with you and thank 'god' that the US president hasn't pulled a new "war" out of his A$$ lately.

Unpredicitability only ever hurt the unprepared.


JumboShrimp

Quote from: Captim on December 10, 2013, 09:07:18 PM
As for politics. I'll have a cup of tea with you and thank 'god' that the US president hasn't pulled a new "war" out of his A$$ lately.

He tried to do precisely that, if you were paying attention.

Quote from: Captim on December 10, 2013, 09:07:18 PM
Unpredicitability only ever hurt the unprepared.

Good point.

Captim

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Quote from: JumboShrimp on December 10, 2013, 09:37:02 PM
He tried to do precisely that, if you were paying attention.

Entirely possible I missed that call to arms. I try to keep abreast of things neutrally, but, 'The Daily Show' sums things up so nicely in an objective nutshell! ;D

Unless, perhaps you were referring to the US middle class? We've got that here too, but it's the price all western societies are paying for the trillions we owe.

This game is actually a very nice example how over leveridging yourself will lead to major cashflow problems down the line...




knobbygb

Quote from: brique on December 10, 2013, 03:59:49 AM
I think its been a bit missed in the mix of reactions, but one of the issues around it is that the AI brokers seem to have become very reluctant in buying aircraft, even well-maintained, reasonably aged and priced cheaply. AI brokers just dont buy as much as they used to.

I haven't noticed that particularly. In fact,  I've NEVER had much luck getting brokers to buy my aircraft in general but recently I've actually sold a couple of old 721s with expired D-Checks to brokers - at a low price of course!  There were several others available at a similar price and in much better shape too.  So, it all seems a bit too random.

One bad thing about these changes (which I generally like) is that we'll miss out on such opportunities. Perhaps, as others have said, making the brokers more likely to buy will help these changes along - many more aircraft would disappear from the market before expired checks became an issue.

xyeahtony

i'm loving the swap registration numbers feature when transferring schedules to new planes. One of the best updates imho. Props to the dev. team, and thanks.

b757capt

Quote from: [SC] xyeahtony on December 11, 2013, 07:19:22 AM
i'm loving the swap registration numbers feature when transferring schedules to new planes. One of the best updates imho. Props to the dev. team, and thanks.

Couldn't agree more! Time saver here!

Now if we can just get a 7 day schedule button for route creation!

Tiberius

Good work keep it up!!  (Most of) these updates sound great!

JumboShrimp

Quote from: [SC] xyeahtony on December 11, 2013, 07:19:22 AM
i'm loving the swap registration numbers feature when transferring schedules to new planes. One of the best updates imho. Props to the dev. team, and thanks.

Yup, really handy feature.

One thing that would be great is that if one of the aircraft has nothing but A/B check on the schedule, that A/B check does not get copied.  It would be great if it did.

BD

With some of the recent changes I've discovered that the flag for auto lease renewal (which I had set to "off") had returned to "on" for the few aircraft I wanted to let expire.  Got a surprise renewal on one, checked the others and had to change them all back.  :(

Won't report as a bug, as that was probably a one time issue.

Sami

That or anything related to that hasn't changed at all really....

[ATA] - lilius

Are new features live yet? Sitting here waiting for the market to turn all green  :laugh:

meiru

I can't wait until the "conversion" feature will get activated so that I can convert my MD-81 in MD-82 or MD-90-30 to MD-90-30 ER ... that would be so nice. Otherwise I can only scrap the aircrafts...

swiftus27

Quote from: meiru on December 15, 2013, 04:42:46 PM
I can't wait until the "conversion" feature will get activated so that I can convert my MD-81 in MD-82 or MD-90-30 to MD-90-30 ER ... that would be so nice. Otherwise I can only scrap the aircrafts...

I didn't think that conversion was an option....