(comments) AirwaySim v.1.3 news, previews & info

[swiftus27]

nice, bro.

[ezzeqiel]

As noted by the previous post, another change is coming later which takes better into account how busy the airport is with these costs.

I think this should have had a higher priority... it's not the same landing in Heatrow airport than in Puerto Rico or Tijuana airports


EDIT.. it says "better", but acording to the new tooltip you put, there's absolutely no difference in prices in terms of how busy the airport is...

EDIT2: ok, it's been answered.

Please do note that all airports start at the cost level "1" with the launch of the feature (and with the start of a new game world) and the costs will scale up or down slowly depending on the airport traffic from now on

[dmoose42]

Sami is there any maximum on the value that the landing fees can reach (and other fees also)?  LHR is already at 18,43 (started at 10).  I was just wondering if this was going to grow indefinitely or whether or not their was some limit to it...

edit...now up to 18,66...

[Andre]

* New feature will be added next week, aircraft upgrades.

I love this.. really looking forward to it

[schro]

Waaait a minute. Staff changes.

Now that they're managed at a base level, what happens if we need to reallocate? Are we going to have to sack some and take a CI hit to say, move all medium pilots from one base to another due to fleet upgrades? Or will transfers between bases with no net change in staff count not result in a pay problem? What about pay differential at bases in this case?

Holy basket of wombats.

[dmoose42]

I think your problem is that you hired wombats instead of people.  People can move from base to base.  Wombats are stuck at their original base.  I am not sure whether or not I hired wombats as well.  Hopefully I don't have to find out.

The simplest answer I think is to either view firings at the aggregate level (total head count) or allow users to transfer personnel between bases.

[Sami]

The staff moving between bases and pilot retraining is planned for the near future. However, staff cannot move between bases that are not in the same country then.

Generally speaking though, you cannot move 1000 people from one city to another just like that and expect them to be happy...

[schro]

The staff moving between bases and pilot retraining is planned for the near future. However, staff cannot move between bases that are not in the same country then.

Generally speaking though, you cannot move 1000 people from one city to another just like that and expect them to be happy...

Happens all the time in the US. Staff have the option of moving/commuting or losing their seniority....

Either way, this is a fairly significant and sudden change to the staffing model, and in a way, it feels like the cure is worse than the original disease (collection of bug reports).

[EsquireFlyer]

Happens all the time in the US. Staff have the option of moving/commuting or losing their seniority....

Either way, this is a fairly significant and sudden change to the staffing model, and in a way, it feels like the cure is worse than the original disease (collection of bug reports).

I agree. This imposes a huge penalty on all players with more than one base. You have to take a big CI hit to rebalance your staff each time you move more than a few planes around.

And what happens when you close a base? Does it now fire all those staff and basically wipe out your CI?

[Aoitsuki]

Sami is there any maximum on the value that the landing fees can reach (and other fees also)?  LHR is already at 18,43 (started at 10).  I was just wondering if this was going to grow indefinitely or whether or not their was some limit to it...

edit...now up to 18,66...

+1, is it increasing because of airport expansion(slot)?

Also I was wondering is it normal to have domestic and international pax fee the same? I recall JA HND it started with 2/2, then 2/3.. and now 4/4. For a short range route that charge 48$ a ticket that is slowly eating in the profit. Also shouldn't international route be much more expensive? They are certainly much less affected due to the higher ticket price and in theory... they need to go thru custom  

[Mr.HP]

And what happens when you close a base? Does it now fire all those staff and basically wipe out your CI?

It's a huge penalty, especially for big airlines, but I think it's necessary. Like sami said, you can't expect to lose nothing when closing the whole base with 100 operating A/C down

[Sami]

And what happens when you close a base? Does it now fire all those staff and basically wipe out your CI?

No, and where are you getting this? Closing a base merely moves the staff to HQ. It has always been like that.

[Mr.HP]

No, and where are you getting this? Closing a base merely moves the staff to HQ. It has always been like that.

What's about CI hit, sami? I think we're more concern about CI

[EsquireFlyer]

No, and where are you getting this? Closing a base merely moves the staff to HQ. It has always been like that.

Oh ok. I was asking because the new system is not what it has always been like regarding moving planes (staff don't move anymore).
So I was asking what happens when you close a base (do staff still move to HQ). From your response, it sounds like they do, which is good.

I would suggest having the employee transfer/relocation function added as soon as possible (for when moving planes around without closing a base), because the current system seriously handicaps multi-based airlines now. You can charge a fee to move employees if you think it's reasonable (paying the employee's relocation fee), but the airline shouldn't have to take a CI hit of firing employees in City A just to rehire identical employees in City B when moving a plane.

In real life, airlines transfer employees from base to base often, and some employees (FA, pilot) don't even have to live in the city where they are based, and they just commute by deadheading. So, firing and re-hiring employees shouldn't be necessary to move some planes from Base A to B. And normally they don't get a big CI hit just for firing a few employees either--only if it's a mass layoff.

[Andre]

No, and where are you getting this? Closing a base merely moves the staff to HQ. It has always been like that.

Scenario: I close a base with 5000 employees. All 5000 employees are moved to HQ. Then I open a base somewhere else. Will the employees hired at the new base be new people, and the 5000 people that were relocated just stay at HQ?

If that's the case, we will take a major CI hit when firing the 5000 people that aren't necessary at the HQ, since we can't move them to the new base. IMHO, I think that's it's just as unrealistic that 5000 people move to HQ base, as 5000 people moving from HQ to a new base. I would like them to move both ways.

[Sami]

When you open a new base it has the minimum number of people required for a new base who are newly hired ones (this is something like ~50 staff?), and you will then move as much people from HQ to the new base as your new operation requires or hire new staff at the new base, whatever...

Or actually not fully sure if it even hires those minimum amount of people if you have manual staff setting on. Anyway, at no point you will have a direct requirement for a 5000 people in a new base at day 1 when it opens so the whole point is moot.

(and also why are you saying you cannot move them to the new base from HQ?)

[Tujue]

Just a question: with the new changes in order to make smaller aircraft more viable option, will there be a possibility to have A-B-C routing again for domestic flights? Maybe with a restriction of 50 seats or something for these flights?

[Sami]

Domestic A-B-C has been in "to do" list but so are many other things too.  

Basically works so that you'd sell tickets for A-B, A-C, C-A and B-A while route is A-B-C. This allows you to fly small routes (since B-C is not sold).

(* domestic = intra-EU in modern times too)

[Sami]

Any feedback on the base airport finder 'wizard'  .. if you've had a chance to test it?

[LemonButt]

Any feedback on the base airport finder 'wizard'  .. if you've had a chance to test it?

Ask Jona L.  He's BK'd in DOTM like 6 times now