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Offline Tha_Ape

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Re: Missing aircraft models from database
« Reply #200 on: May 17, 2018, 09:15:49 PM »
From GW#2 data, may 59.

But better not use this thread for that (as it's intended to post request/data about missing planes)

Thanks.

Offline jezbanks

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Re: Missing aircraft models from database
« Reply #201 on: May 17, 2018, 09:22:17 PM »
Apologies.

Since the DC7-F was available with the DC7B IRL it is technically currently 'missing'

Offline Talentz

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Re: Missing aircraft models from database
« Reply #202 on: May 17, 2018, 10:05:34 PM »
All historical records I've seen suggest the first DC7 freighter (of any variant) was the DC7CF rolled out:

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N244B    Douglas DC-7C(F)    44876    673    R3350          1956    
rg Advance Airlines, bu 9/78 Farmerville LA   
N7344    leased       Aeronaves Del Peru    
N7344    leased 1970       CJS Cargo Service    
N7344    leased 1968       World American Airlift    
N7344    leased 1965 - 67       Airlift International    
N7344    rg 2/65 Liberty Air Leasing sold International Aerodyne Inc.          
N734PA    renamed converted to Freighter 1959    Clipper Seven Seas    Pan American World Airways    
N734PA    dd 4/28/56 - 1964    Clipper Bostonian    Pan American World Airways

If you have sources or even a pic dating in 1957 of a flying DC7BF please share :)


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Offline jezbanks

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Re: Missing aircraft models from database
« Reply #203 on: May 18, 2018, 07:00:21 AM »
Production list here shows DC7-Bs converted to freighters

http://rzjets.net/aircraft/?page=5&typeid=209

However, I have found quite a few places on the net reporting that Douglas offered the conversion from 1959 so not missing yet

Thanks for the understanding
« Last Edit: May 18, 2018, 08:05:01 AM by jezbanks »

Offline Talentz

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Re: Missing aircraft models from database
« Reply #204 on: May 25, 2018, 05:29:35 AM »
MD-XX LR or maybe MD-11 Advance would sound better.

Basically, it was the last study project from McD before the Boeing take over in 1997. A stretched MD-11 and MD-11LR of sorts. The focus would be on the MD-XX LR variant. Improved wing and more powerful engines along with another fuel tank would have been the aim. It would have given an MD-11ER more range, better take-off/landing performance and a slightly better fuel burn.

Of course this is all history as a few months after this project was cancelled, Boeing took over and shut the MD-11 down. The proposed specs for the MD-XX LR looks more achievable then the stretched MD-XX (which would have been something like a Trijet 773) but smaller and less efficient.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/md-xx.htm

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Offline MikeS

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Re: Missing aircraft models from database
« Reply #205 on: May 26, 2018, 02:42:42 AM »
McDonnell Douglas sure had an uncontrollable hang for stretching ....

DC8-10s to 60s: 45.9m to 57.11m + 24%
DC9 to MD90:    32.8m to 46.54m + 46%
DC10t o MDXX:  52.0m to 71.00m + 36%

Re-engine & stretch ... re-engine & stretch ... it was sadly their only modern market strategy. The MD-90 had to be stretched just to compensate for the heavier
engines at the back, making a difficult to balance plane even worse (difficult to use in HD seating due to excessive pax weight ahead of wing/centre of gravity).

Anyways, I've always loved their planes, sad they disappeared.

As far as I know there were 3 interesting projects studied:
A further stretched MD11 also referred to as MD12 for a while
A double decker MD-12 very much like todays A380
and a twin engined DCX similar to the B757

As Talentz mentioned, for the streched MD11 there seem to be enough info on the web in case one wanted to add it to the game - see attachment

Mike
« Last Edit: May 26, 2018, 02:45:27 AM by MikeS »

Offline kscessandriver

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Re: Missing aircraft models from database
« Reply #206 on: May 27, 2018, 02:11:47 AM »
Is there a particular reason that the 737-200C ADV isn't capable of being converted to stage 3 noise while the 737-200F is?
« Last Edit: May 27, 2018, 02:18:40 AM by kscessandriver »

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Re: Missing aircraft models from database
« Reply #207 on: July 30, 2018, 09:22:46 PM »
Currently in 2027 I notice some cargo players keeping a seperate fleet of previous generation aircraft due to their freight capabilities (i.e. A33F/B767F)
Both Airbus and Boeing have expressed themselves about developing freighter version of some of their aircraft:
A350-900F
A380-800F
B777-8F
B787-9F

Could these be added to help fleet replacement past 2020

Offline Talentz

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Re: Missing aircraft models from database
« Reply #208 on: August 01, 2018, 12:41:02 AM »
I thought I read somewhere that a A380F was built and test flown... but lack of orders cancelled the project. If I can find data, that would be great to have.

The 787F and A350F would be excellent to have, but is there some data out there or is it just still a dream?



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Re: Missing aircraft models from database
« Reply #209 on: August 04, 2018, 06:54:21 PM »
I thought I read somewhere that a A380F was built and test flown... but lack of orders cancelled the project. If I can find data, that would be great to have.

The 787F and A350F would be excellent to have, but is there some data out there or is it just still a dream?



Talentz

It wasn't flown, but FedEx and UPS both ordered it. Airbus pushed back delivery dates, because they wanted to focus on the -800.
This (combined with the 2008 financial crisis) caused both airlines to cancel their orders, effectively cancelling the program.

 

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