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Missing aircraft models from database

Started by Sami, October 23, 2010, 07:43:07 AM

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Zobelle

#240
February 24, 2019, 02:18:19 AM
Quote from: EmilyHampstead on February 24, 2019, 02:04:46 AM
The last of Boeing 314 Clippers was retired by the year 1948 in real life, according to Wikipedia. So it's a good addition to the database in my opinion  :laugh:.

-Emily (age 15)

Not if it was dead and buried before game's beginning.

gazzz0x2z

#242
February 24, 2019, 08:33:02 AM
seaplanes are not managed yet by the game. Considering the era we play, they'd be fringe at best.

Tha_Ape

#243
February 24, 2019, 09:09:44 AM Last Edit: February 24, 2019, 09:20:24 AM by Tha_Ape
Quote from: gazzz0x2z on February 24, 2019, 08:33:02 AM
seaplanes are not managed yet by the game. Considering the era we play, they'd be fringe at best.

I'm in love with seaplanes, probably even more than with planes, but still, it makes absolute sense not to integrate them into the game.
Yes, the Double Sunrise route is something someone would dream of in the early days, but it doesn't justify a complete new chapter of the game for something that would be played only 5 years at best (and that if the GW starts in 1950).

Cornishman

#244
February 24, 2019, 11:00:45 AM Last Edit: February 24, 2019, 11:06:02 AM by Cornishman
BAe 146 QT and QC

I realise there was no specific set data from BAe but surely we can simply use the statistics from one or another known specifications and apply it here so we can enjoy the benefits of this aircraft in AWS. 

EmilyHampstead

#245
February 24, 2019, 11:09:30 AM
Haven't I forgotten these civil-use aircraft families?


-Emily (age 15)

Cornishman

#246
February 24, 2019, 11:15:46 AM
Quote from: EmilyHampstead on February 24, 2019, 11:09:30 AM
Haven't I forgotten these civil-use aircraft families?


-Emily (age 15)

Sorry but this would just be useless "clutter". Absolutely no chance anyone in their right minds would make any use of these planes.  So they get launched, sit awaiting orders --> no orders placed = just another load of clutter nobody needs !    Sorry to be harsh Emily, but be realistic.

Sami

#247
February 24, 2019, 11:16:42 AM
Business jets and seaplanes are not part of the simulation.

Zobelle

#248
February 24, 2019, 11:27:44 AM
If we had a free fleet type under "niche" (Biz jets, A380, Concorde) I'd try one out just for fun. I could see some smaller NYC area airports being premium heavy even if low on pax.

Cedric3108

#249
February 24, 2019, 12:38:21 PM
Has for sure been brought up before, but still missing even though it is already flying:

Irkut MC-21

The development and certification is further underway than that of the COMAC C919 and that has been in the game for quite a while now... so why discriminate the poor MC-21? ;) More production capacity in this aircraft size is always in high demand, so I think it would be good for the game-play as well, as it gives more of a reason to stay away from the A320/B737 series of aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irkut_MC-21

Range is supposed to be only 200NM shorter than A320neo/B738MAX and because of its lighter weight the MC-21 might even have a fuel burn advantage, I obviously don't have the exact performance data...

Types currently under development are the (single class, not HD-seating):
150 seat MC-21-200
181 seat MC-21-300

later versions are supposed to be a:
212 seat MC-21-400 and MC-21-400ER
and a super-high range MC-21-200LR

I really believe that this aircraft family would make the last 15 years of the game a lot more interesting and should definitely be added.

Cheers,
Cedric

Tha_Ape

#251
March 01, 2019, 03:03:36 PM
The Canadair CL-44, Britannia-derived.

Been talked about already, but couldn't find any info so far on the forum.
Here is some: https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1958/1958-1-%20-%200905.html
(check all 4 pages, with specs, performance and graphs).
And possibly here as well: https://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/canadair-cl-44-yukon/133
Existed both in pax and cargo variant, and then there was a stretched-fuselage one, the 44J.

Talentz

#252
March 01, 2019, 06:31:41 PM
Quote from: Tha_Ape on March 01, 2019, 03:03:36 PM
The Canadair CL-44, Britannia-derived.

Been talked about already, but couldn't find any info so far on the forum.
Here is some: https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1958/1958-1-%20-%200905.html
(check all 4 pages, with specs, performance and graphs).
And possibly here as well: https://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/canadair-cl-44-yukon/133
Existed both in pax and cargo variant, and then there was a stretched-fuselage one, the 44J.

Researched, 4 models of data submitted. It's a whole new fleet group which means eventually, we'll get it in the game.


Talentz
Co-founder and Managing member of: The Star Alliance Group™ - A beta era, multi-brand alliance.

Tha_Ape

#253
March 01, 2019, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: Talentz on March 01, 2019, 06:31:41 PM
Researched, 4 models of data submitted. It's a whole new fleet group which means eventually, we'll get it in the game.

Talentz

4 models? Which one is the 4th one? You include the Conroy Skymonster? ???
And not put into the Britannia fleet group because of different speed? They still seems pretty similar, don't they?

Great thing anyway, thanks Albert :)

Talentz

#254
March 01, 2019, 08:06:08 PM
4 models: CL-44D4, CL-44D4-1, CL-44J and -J freighter. Eco cruise @ 340knts. It used the Tnye engines as per Vangaurd.

I would rather see a new fleet group for the faster speed. 340 vs 310knt over 3000nm is a big difference. Since the main reason ppl would consider this type for LH duty, speed would be a good selling point.


Talentz
Co-founder and Managing member of: The Star Alliance Group™ - A beta era, multi-brand alliance.

Jetsetter

#255
March 25, 2019, 08:07:46 PM
Sami, if I give you data for the Irkut MC-21, will you buy me a cupcake?

I have no idea how maintenance costs are estimated.

Manufacturer: Irkut
Area of Development: Russia
Projected Monthly Production: 6 per month
Crew: 2 pilots, 3 cabin
Turn time: 40 minutes minimum
Cruise Speed: Mach 0.80/533 knots
Stage 4 Noise Compliant
Project Launched: December 2006
First Deliveries: Uhhh 2021?
Size Class: Large Aircraft



Irkut MC-21-200
Default Configuration: C12 Y120
Max Configuartion: 153Y
List Price: 72.0M USD
Runway Requirement: 1560 m
MTOW: 72,560 kg
Max Payload: 18,900 kg
Cargo Volume: 31.1m^3

Engine Option 1 - Pratt and Whitney PW1428G-JM
SFC: 1990 kg/hr
Range: 3455 nm

Engine Option 2 - United Engine Corporation/Aviadvigatel PD-14A
SFC: 2135 kg/hr
Range: Same as PW? Irkut doesn't break it out.



Irkut MC-21-300
Default Configuration: C16 Y147
Max Configuration: 182Y
List Price: 96.1M USD
Crew: 2 pilots, 4 cabin
Runway Requirement: 1580 m
MTOW: 79,250 kg
Max Payload: 22,600 kg
Cargo Volume: 49m^3

Engine Option 1 - Pratt and Whitney PW1431G-JM
SFC: 2095 kg/hr
Range: 3240 nm

Engine Option 2 - United Engine Corporation/Aviadvigatel PD-14
SFC: 2245 kg/hr
Range: Same as PW? Irkut doesn't break it out.



Fuel consumption is a PITA because official figures aren't published. But we can work backwards towards it. PW suggests a 16% reduction against a CFM-56 benchmark, and Aviadvigatel suggest a 10% reduction against a CFM-56 benchmark.

http://www.avid.ru/en/pd14/
https://www.mtu.de/fileadmin/DE/7_News_Media/2_Media/Broschueren/Engines/PW1000G.pdf

MS-21-200 Fuel Consumption Calculation

  • For apples to apples, we will use the average of 737-700 & A319 CFM-56 fuel burn to compare to the MS-21-200, as they are the closest approximations in size.
  • 737-700 with CFM-56 average consumption: 2505 kg/hr
  • A319 with CFM-56 average consumption: 2235 kg/hr
  • Average of A319/737 fuel consumption: 2370 kg/hr
  • PW-1400 16% decrease in fuel consumption rounded to nearest 5: 1990 kg/hr
  • PD-14 10% decrease in fuel consumption rounded to nearest 5: 2135 kg/hr

MS-21-300 Fuel Consumption Calculation

  • For apples to apples, we will use the average of 737-800 & A320 CFM-56 fuel burn to compare to the MS-21-200, as they are the closest approximations in size.
  • 737-800 with CFM-56 average consumption: 2545 kg/hr
  • A320 with CFM-56 average consumption: 2445 kg/hr
  • Average of A320/738 fuel consumption: 2495 kg/hr
  • PW-1400 16% decrease in fuel consumption rounded to nearest 5: 2095 kg/hr
  • PD-14 10% decrease in fuel consumption rounded to nearest 5: 2245 kg/hr

Both of these figures are consistent with the NEO/Max performance improvements over the standard A320/737 series.

Sources:
http://mc21eng.irkut.com/family/characteristics/?PAGEN_1=1&SIZEN_1=1
https://www.uacrussia.ru/en/aircraft/lineup/civil/ms-21/#aircraft-specific
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2017-05-30/russias-irkut-mc-21-300-performs-first-flight
http://newsinflight.com/2018/04/11/russian-mc-21-debut-in-autumn-2018/
https://leehamnews.com/2016/02/08/irkut-mc-21-first-analysis/
https://www.uacrussia.ru/upload/iblock/fc4/fc47f6803bdd052b8f6debc4afa10b4c.pdf

jezbanks

#256
April 07, 2019, 07:42:02 AM
Can we have the Convair conversions and freighter options on the 240/340/440?

Missing are the TP upgrades and freighters

ArcherII

#257
May 23, 2019, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: jezbanks on April 07, 2019, 07:42:02 AM
Can we have the Convair conversions and freighter options on the 240/340/440?

Missing are the TP upgrades and freighters

I think the data has been provided already. Maybe there's something missing still?

I can't wait for the TP Convairs!

Ty

#258
May 29, 2019, 01:23:48 AM
Bombardier CS Series to Airbus A220 Series in early 2017.
Will this be added to the game?

Mort

#259
May 29, 2019, 08:53:26 AM
Quote from: Ty on May 29, 2019, 01:23:48 AM
Bombardier CS Series to Airbus A220 Series in early 2017.
Will this be added to the game?

All newer GWs already call it the A220, the update just wasn't applied to existing GWs at the time.

I believe the only GW where it hasn't been changed is GW4
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