Missing aircraft models from database

[MikeS]

Already included in game with 2-man cockpit crew;
MD-10-10F
MD-10-30F

Cheers!

Mike

[NovemberCharlie]

I don't believe a 747-200SUD modification is available as of yet?
https://www.airlinereporter.com/tag/boeing-747-200-sud/

[Sami]

I don't believe a 747-200SUD modification is available as of yet?

Boeing 747-200B/SUD => conversion, available from 1980-06-01. https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Aircraft/Info/View/681/

[NovemberCharlie]

Nevermind then! Good work

[seafax]

I'm rather surprised AWS does not seem to have the Antonov AN-2!  The AN-2 "Annushka" (NATO: 'Colt') was a widely successful, mass-produced, dual-purpose, large biplane of the Soviet era which saw service across a large part of the world in its original form.  Today, the upgraded turboprop-powered variants (as well as a few vintage ones) are still operated commercially in developing nations.  Specifications below.



In AWS, the AN-2 would be a nice used airplane stock for 1955 starts for both cargo and short-haul passenger airlines, especially with the limited selection of dedicated cargo aircraft in those early game years.  In fact, due to its long real-life production run (ended in 2001), the factory line should remain open for New orders even in 1955 starts.  For balance, the airplane should have both low acquisition & maintenance costs (which is realistic in both cases).  Over the years the option to convert to the AN-3 (1980) and AN-2-100 (2013) turboprop conversions should be given (I'm happy to research more data for these variants if the AN-2 is accepted!)

Some basic specs for the original version:

Available from: 1949 (announced 1947)
Crew: 1-2
Size class: Small
Maximum speed: 250 km/h (135 kts IAS)
Cruise speed: 190 km/h (102 kts IAS, or ~135 KTAS @ 14,000')
Pax version capacity: 12 Y

Cargo version capacity: 1500 kg (3306 lbs) [suggest Cargo-Light and Cargo-Standard eligible]
Cargo volume: 4.2 x 1.85 x 1.65 m
Cargo max density: 1000 kg/M² (structural limitation)
Powerplant: Shvetsov ASh-62IR 9-cylinder air-cooled supercharged radial piston engine, 750 kW (1,010 hp)
Fuel capacity: 892 kg (1200 liters or 317 US gal)
Fuel consumption (hourly, cruise flight): 118 kg (158 liters or 42 US gal)
Fuel consumption (hourly, on ground): 45 kg (61 liters or 16 US gal)
Maximum endurance (calculated @ cruise power): 7.55 hours
Normal Range: calculated @ ~1330 km or 718 nm at normal cruise speed, after factoring .5 hr reserve fuel & taxi burn
Maximum Range: 2000 km (1,079 nm) at endurance power [published]
Service ceiling (@ MGW): 4500 m (14,764 ft)
Normal climb rate: 186 m/min (610 ft/min)
Normal descent rate: 120 m/min (394 ft/min)
Basic operating weight: 3350 kg (7,385 lb)
Normal gross weight & max landing weight: 5250 kg (11,575 lbs)
Takeoff distance (no-flaps to 25m altitude): 800m (2625 ft)
Takeoff distance (flaps 30deg to 25m altitude): 540m (1772 ft)
Landing distance (flaps 40deg): 215m (656 ft)

source: USAF Foreign Technology Division - Antonov AN-2 technical document

PDF WARNING: https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/746791.pdf

AN-2-100 modernized upgrade:

[saetta]

Dear Sami, I have been an avid player of your game for 3 years...I have asked multiple times why you haven't included the SNCASE LANGUEDOC in your data base. As I have said before it was not a great airplane, but much better then many odd A/C in your data base . 100 where produced and at least 4 airlines flew them for 10 to 15 years . Why have you always ignored this question ...I don't get it , is it some kind of weird bias , lack of data, lack of knowledge ...what is it ? Just need a couple of gracious lines from you !!

[Alpha]

I would say its due to lack of data... You can send him the payload charts and other operational data if you happen to have any from reputable sources, but otherwise it would be difficult for him to add a plane without data 

[MikeS]

Dear Sami, I have been an avid player of your game for 3 years...I have asked multiple times why you haven't included the SNCASE LANGUEDOC in your data base. As I have said before it was not a great airplane, but much better then many odd A/C in your data base . 100 where produced and at least 4 airlines flew them for 10 to 15 years . Why have you always ignored this question ...I don't get it , is it some kind of weird bias , lack of data, lack of knowledge ...what is it ? Just need a couple of gracious lines from you !!

I believe it is a matter of priorities. A lot needs to be done for the game so it is hard to justify pouring time into researching an odd aircraft with limited player appeal. For this model it's going to be really hard finding all the required data, especially now when aircraft data need to be a lot more accurate than before.
In real life they were only produced between 1945 and 1948 and passengers apparently hated them. The aircraft itself does look cool, though - very WW II.

Mike

[sirvalkyerie]

I also wondered if the Eviation Alice would ever make it in since it has about 200 orders from commercial airlines. But I understand that since it would arrive very late in gameplay (2022 or so?) and it being all electric (would make it much harder to calculate costs) probably means it isn't worth the effort.

There's plenty of niche planes out there that probably offer diminishing returns in terms of adding them. (though more frame options early is good since production lines can get so clogged)

[saetta]

Mikes , I agree that the Languedoc was not a very popular plane but compared to the Augusta (1 made ) ATL accountant ( none made) Berguet ( very few) etc.etc. it's an incredible success! If you spend the time and energy researching the Augusta and the Accountant you should be able to research a plane, of which 100 where and at least 5 airlines operated them. As far as passenger hating...I actually loved being on it, as a 5 year old !!

[saetta]

In the current game "History and the future" good or even mediocre airplanes like the DC 4 are impossible at this juncture to lease or buy . A Languedoc could come in handy as a better choice then the DC 2/3 or C 46 . The Languedoc is the Rodney Dangerfield of airliners ..it gets no respect...even tough it does not deserve a heck of a lot

[XM02A]

Any reason the Convair 580 is missing? I have access to lots of data (including FCOM, Maintenance Manuals, etc) for both freight and passenger versions as I am working with them in real life. Happy to PM the appropriate person.

[Alpha]

I think the issue with Convair propliners' turboprop conversion is that their speed increased significantly but AWS's system hardcoded it in a way that same fleet type has the same speed, so a turboprop conversion would probably have to stick with the same miserable speed of the piston pounder counterparts.

With AWS's 35-year limit for planes to be flyable, such conversions arent really worth the effort as well imo. Shame, but its something we have to live with.

[Todorojoz]

I think the issue with Convair propliners' turboprop conversion is that their speed increased significantly but AWS's system hardcoded it in a way that same fleet type has the same speed, so a turboprop conversion would probably have to stick with the same miserable speed of the piston pounder counterparts.

With AWS's 35-year limit for planes to be flyable, such conversions arent really worth the effort as well imo. Shame, but its something we have to live with.

If it allowed the CV440s to get past chapter 2 noise restrictions and potentially lowered fuel consumption (considering flying slower than its optimal cruise could potentially burn less) it could still be a beneficial option. It does stink that it can't get past Chapter 2 as is while the Viscount, F28 and Martin 404 can. CV440s survived well beyond 1985 IRL.

[XM02A]

I think the issue with Convair propliners' turboprop conversion is that their speed increased significantly but AWS's system hardcoded it in a way that same fleet type has the same speed, so a turboprop conversion would probably have to stick with the same miserable speed of the piston pounder counterparts.

With AWS's 35-year limit for planes to be flyable, such conversions arent really worth the effort as well imo. Shame, but its something we have to live with.

If that's the case, then allowing it as a new order airframe as a different type would be a better compromise than nothing at all, which at least fixes both the speed and 35 year issue. There were around 250 turboprop conversions, and around 100 or so were operating towards the turn of the century. That to me is a gaping hole in the common fleet types that have been used in the real world compared to the Airwaysim aircraft list, when you consider things like the ATL-90 are in there.

[tungstennedge]

777-300ERSF

Last year another user made a post about this aircraft, it would be fantastic to see it added, could be a game changer for some airlines.