Game world suggestions - post here

[LostInBKK]

I am currently struggling with the game  

As has been mentioned its very difficult to make money in any game unless you are in a big airport from the start of the game. Recently in the  game I was the only airline in the airport and another airline was using the empty airport as hub. I had one route at my home airport and was making some money. The game was I think about 30% thru and it was going to be difficult to make money as most of the routes were taken. Then the other airline using my airport as a hub started to fly my one route. So I email the player and ask him to not fly that route as its my only route. To which I got the reply sorry my home airport is full and I am using my airport as hub. As his airline was so much larger than my own airline I had no option but to bankrupt the airline and start again somewhere else. What I am trying to say is that the home airline must have some way to fight back these people.

Thanks

Lost

[LostInBKK]

My suggestion for the game worlds would be to have world where Airline Alliances battle for world domination.

I am sure someone a lot clever than me will be able to come up with more suggestions.

There could be maybe no rival alliance airlines in the same airport.

Cheers

Lost

[Yb]

I am currently struggling with the game  

As has been mentioned its very difficult to make money in any game unless you are in a big airport from the start of the game. Recently in the  game I was the only airline in the airport and another airline was using the empty airport as hub. I had one route at my home airport and was making some money. The game was I think about 30% thru and it was going to be difficult to make money as most of the routes were taken. Then the other airline using my airport as a hub started to fly my one route. So I email the player and ask him to not fly that route as its my only route. To which I got the reply sorry my home airport is full and I am using my airport as hub. As his airline was so much larger than my own airline I had no option but to bankrupt the airline and start again somewhere else. What I am trying to say is that the home airline must have some way to fight back these people.

Thanks

Lost

That is preatty awful. O like competition but this is just awful. What kind of fun is to take down a small airline flying one route? 

[Maarten Otto]

Totally agree.

There is realy nothing funny about bankrupting a small arline.

[Yb]

Totally agree.

There is realy nothing funny about bankrupting a small arline.

I had a huge airline with over 95% market share on an airport but when a small, reagional airline joined I made him struggle but I never tried to destroy him like that. In the end when the prices got high and he got into trouble I even tried to help him but he said it was too late...
On the other hand no mercy for the big guys.

[EYguy]

I am currently struggling with the game  

As has been mentioned its very difficult to make money in any game unless you are in a big airport from the start of the game. Recently in the  game I was the only airline in the airport and another airline was using the empty airport as hub. I had one route at my home airport and was making some money. The game was I think about 30% thru and it was going to be difficult to make money as most of the routes were taken. Then the other airline using my airport as a hub started to fly my one route. So I email the player and ask him to not fly that route as its my only route. To which I got the reply sorry my home airport is full and I am using my airport as hub. As his airline was so much larger than my own airline I had no option but to bankrupt the airline and start again somewhere else. What I am trying to say is that the home airline must have some way to fight back these people.

Thanks

Lost

This is why I've been complaining about the double legs routes since 4 months ago... It is absolutely crazy to kill a new born airline just because "I have no more routes"!!! I hope that Sami will erase this option in the V1.2 engine!

[ekaneti]

This is why I've been complaining about the double legs routes since 4 months ago... It is absolutely crazy to kill a new born airline just because "I have no more routes"!!! I hope that Sami will erase this option in the V1.2 engine!

Without double legs the game will be boring. All youll have is a hub with a bunch of spokes...BORING. There are lots of markets that can be served with double legs that would never get served if they were eliminated. I strongly oppose getting rid of double legs.

[EYguy]

In understand your point of view ekaneti but... Real life is much different form this game! I have nothing against the use of double legs routes "in country", in your home country or as in Europe. But the point is: in real life the countries of the world usually put a ban on this practice because it harms their own flag carriers. If you look in other threads, you'll see that I do not oppose the double leg routes... But I oppose the wild use of them! If I am a carrier based in LAX and I open a flight LAX-JFK-any airport in Europe, it have nothing against this... But I can't accept LAX-LHR-DXB!:) Because it is not real, it has a destructive effect on smaller airlines and it kills the competition... I can accepet tech stops, it is a practice used until a few years ago, but nothing more excepet what I have said...

[alex11369]

Why LAX-LHR-DXB is not real in the live? It is really possible and it is in a practice of world aviation...Just one detail : have to be adjusted procent of possible load factor : for example LAX-LHR : 20% of pax to LHR and 80% to DXB , and LHR-DXB : 20% only . Numbers could be different and could be adjusted. Uzbekistan Airways had /have/ always flights from Tashkent/TAS/ to New York/JFK/ via some other airports like Amsterdam , Manchester ,Kiev , Riga and they had /have/ rights to sell tickets for passangers to and from transfer airports , but it never have been 100% / change pax at all/... My suggestion: to have chance to set % on double-leg routes. Thank You for your time.

[Maarten Otto]

Real life is much different form this game!

And that's why this is a game and multi legs should be kept. To be Honest, I think the game will become boring if you take out this feature.

At first people will love the fact their businesses are protected somehow... but then they realise that what's protecting them... also reduce their options in game and eliminating their chances.

And then we have an awfull lot of airports which can't serve one or two airlines as a hub. Those airlines are forced to do multi legs in order to survive in the first place.

If you kill this feature you must increase pax volumes by 500 to 700% to get it like "the real world"

[Sami]

Multiple legs will be removed on the next version. They will be brought back once the "traffic / route rights" system is done (= freedoms of air).

[alex11369]

Hello, Sami! Please could You tell more about future of multi-legs ?

[Sami]

Well .. hmm. That what I said was about it. For now at least. 

[castelino009]

Multiple legs will be removed on the next version. They will be brought back once the "traffic / route rights" system is done (= freedoms of air).

Oh Sami, please get it soon, things are getting ridiculous, people are silly and very annoying they start a second hub even before they develop theie own. Will be good to see the freedom of air in place.

keep up the good work

VJC

[pharmy]

I think that an early version of freedoms of the air can still be implemented quite easily in the next version. Multiple legs should be disabled, except for domestic, intra-EU flights, intra-US-Canada flights, intra-Caricom flights, intra-Yamoussoukro flights, intra NZ-Aus flights.

Additionally, if possible, EU domestic-domestic-international flights should also be allowed (lets say MAN-LHR-JFK or MUC-FRA-LAX), while US-US- international flights should also be allowed.

The EU and US markets are large enough on their own to support decent size airlines, but I think that Caricom and Yamoussoukro are essential for a healthy African and Caribbean market.

Regarding multiple hubs, I think that the bar meter showing size of the airport should be the limiting factor to even out the playing field. If LHR is your main hub, then you have used up all 100% of the bar

[EYguy]

Why LAX-LHR-DXB is not real in the live? It is really possible and it is in a practice of world aviation...Just one detail : have to be adjusted procent of possible load factor : for example LAX-LHR : 20% of pax to LHR and 80% to DXB , and LHR-DXB : 20% only . Numbers could be different and could be adjusted. Uzbekistan Airways had /have/ always flights from Tashkent/TAS/ to New York/JFK/ via some other airports like Amsterdam , Manchester ,Kiev , Riga and they had /have/ rights to sell tickets for passangers to and from transfer airports , but it never have been 100% / change pax at all/... My suggestion: to have chance to set % on double-leg routes. Thank You for your time.

As I have already written in my previous post (and as some other guys did), it is mainly something regulated on a case by case basis... This means that probably the government of Uzbekistan talked to the dutch government and to the US government and they settled the problem allowing Uzbek Air to operate that flight in such way. To be honest, I do not even think it would be viable for any american or dutch company to operate a direct flight to Uzbekistan!

[swiftus27]

Come on, Tashkent is a large city....

[EYguy]

Come on, Tashkent is a large city....

Of course... And I always fly Uzbek Air when going south!

[alex11369]

The Idea about second hub for airline: One airline can open second hub in same country only with a payment for open that hub. The payment have to be as bigger as larger airport , may be billons dollars . Want to have second hub? Can You afford it as large airline?

[marc0o0o0o]

I think the best way to make the HUB system+second leg routes work is by making this as easy and as realistic as possible (Until the route rights are made). Either of the departure/arrival airport must be in your base country, and second HUB's must be in your base country. So you choose Hong Kong? Too bad. No second HUB's or second legs for you. HKG's demand will keep you busy for the whole game, trust me. I'm also against Europe being considered as one country. I know, it has about the same demand of the United States, but that's how things are! The biggest airlines in the world are from the countries with the most traffic! That's why Delta is #1, American #2, Southwest #3, United #4, US Airways #5 and Continental #6. However, I know some members over here would pick Atlanta, O'hare, LAX and DFW for their second hub to become monster airlines, so we could put a limit in the number of passengers % for the HUBs of an airline. For example, 150% available for all airlines. That way, they could chose two 75% airports as their HUB's, or one 100% and one 50% or three 50% airports or I don't know, as long as they don't exceed 150% in all of their HUB's. Maybe this limit could be modified depending the player limit and areas of the world available, like games with a large amount of members would get a tighter limit and games with a small amount of people (Like RMA) you'd get a better limit.

We're getting too off-topic, so maybe another thread to discuss this would be good? In case there's one already.