Prestige Rating

[ali5541]

Well, any new comments?

[d2031k]

I'm not quite sure what this will achieve.  As I understand it most, if not all, of the factors you mention already affect load-factors directly.  I'm not sure what benefit there is from producing another rating to do something that is already done.

Phil

I agree with this aspect.  It also overlaps most of the factors in CI and load factors.

- Passenger Comfort  - What happens when you operate different types of seating on the same aircraft?  I frequently put nice seats in the front but stuff as many as possible in the back.  The results are shown from the load factors and the ability to attract C or F-class pax comes from CI.

- Delay/Cancellation Frequency - you've answered your own question.

- Route Frequency - This is already modelled in route image.  If you only fly a route once a week, your route image takes a long time to build up.

- Alliance Rating - If you're in an alliance you get improved loads and profits anyway.

- Fleet Age - This affects your loads and profits.  Older aircraft cost a lot more to maintain and produce more cancellations and delays, which directly affect your CI

- Are your prices fair? - Again, this stems directly from CI and emerges as load factors.  High CI = High prices = High Loads etc


I know it seems like I'm being super-negative about your post and I know you suggest a lot of positive things to add to the games  , but I just don't think this is necessary.  As I could see you wanted people to respond, I read it all very carefully and can see what you're suggesting, but its not distinct and seperate enough from CI.  I can see that maybe CI should perhaps be drawn away a little from marketing, as marketing is very dominant when affecting CI, but I believe most of the aspects you have mention affect the loads significantly anyway.

I also think that with the eventual introduction of CEO scenarios, maybe the extra dimension you're suggesting may come from CEO Prestige.  If you've run successful airlines then as well as money, there could be new CEO stats which show how successful a CEO you are etc.

Dave

[ali5541]

Hey, at least you were honest.

[ICEcoldair881]

Samo- it's very simple. two words: Southwest Airlines. They are THE biggest LCC in the WORLD and they have so much prestige because the are simply that; a LCC. They bring the joy back into flying and for a cheap price too. It's what everyone wants. That's exactly why big airports like DFW are trying to stop smaller, secondary airports from stealing passengers, which is what Dallas Love does. Southwest Airlines is based out of DAL (Dallas Love) and the bigger airlines that fly to DFW suffer from the fact that the economy provides no help for them to fight SWA, and so SWA keeps on growing. JetBlue is also another example. SWA and JBL constantly are at each other's throats trying to be the best LCC is the US. Both JBL and SWA are one of the most respected airlines in the US to date, never mind the ancient United, Continental, Pan Am, TWA, Delta, Northwest or American. Those two DOMINATE the USA BECAUSE of their high prestige. that straighten you?

[ali5541]

Samo- it's very simple. two words: Southwest Airlines. They are THE biggest LCC in the WORLD and they have so much prestige because the are simply that; a LCC. They bring the joy back into flying and for a cheap price too. It's what everyone wants. That's exactly why big airports like DFW are trying to stop smaller, secondary airports from stealing passengers, which is what Dallas Love does. Southwest Airlines is based out of DAL (Dallas Love) and the bigger airlines that fly to DFW suffer from the fact that the economy provides no help for them to fight SWA, and so SWA keeps on growing. JetBlue is also another example. SWA and JBL constantly are at each other's throats trying to be the best LCC is the US. Both JBL and SWA are one of the most respected airlines in the US to date, never mind the ancient United, Continental, Pan Am, TWA, Delta, Northwest or American. Those two DOMINATE the USA BECAUSE of their high prestige. that straighten you?

finally, someone sees the power of prestige. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[d2031k]

finally, someone sees the power of prestige. I couldn't have said it better myself.

That isn't the point of the thread or your idea.  

I quite agree that airlines like Southwest, JetBlue, Easyjet and Ryanair etc have a high prestige (well, Prestige isn't perhaps the correct term - maybe unique appeal), but this is just modeled in the game (as I previously posted) as Company Image.  You can have a CI of 100 in this game and take all the economy pax at whatever price (default or below) you like.

There is not enough differentiation between your idea and CI and RI.



Through fear of sounding too negative again, I believe that the core idea behind this is a good one and this is mirrored in Samo's suggestions too.  There does somehow need to be a differentiation to allow the creation of low-cost carriers in the game.  I think Sami's new idea (for later implementation) of population centres dictating the number of pax in an area could help this, as this will greatly benefit the use of secondary airports.

Dave

[ali5541]

That is your opinion, however, I think that Prestige is important because it does exist in real life and has more meaning to it then having a company be well known. CI and Prestige may be similar, however, Prestige will have greater effect and would be much more difficult to increase/decrease. As long as you have some form of advertising going, CI will mostly always increase. You could have a perfect 100 CI but have a bad prestige. Like Delta airlines, there very well known (in America) but there prestige is near 0. It just adds more factor and hard work in the game that CI just can't cut it.

Edit:
Additionally, prestige can help smaller airlines get the upper hand on gigantic airliners that need to work very hard to maintain prestige. Smaller airlines will virtually have to do less work than larger airlines because this have less planes, destinations, and delays/cancelations to worry about. New airlines have a difficult time to increase CI because of all other costs (especially starting late in a game), prestige can cut some of the annoyances when starting late in a game world.