AWS v.1.1 talk

[Talentz]

Yes, I agree with the basis of your argument. Though I just didnt go into detail like you did


~ From what little info that is alvb, this is the conclusion I came to as well.

I am hoping Sami will release more info on how the delivery system will work before coding and having us beta test it.

That way we can correct problems or issues before he spends hours of hard work coding only to have us complain and stomp our feet 



Talentz

[Dorito_25]

I am only one of the many other people that are excited for this new change in AirwaySim. Though, the question running in everyone's heads is...will the V.1.1 be ready before the current game worlds finish? Jet Age#1 has only 30 real days left into its game, Jet Age#2 has 34 days which is in over four weeks time. BUT the players playing in Air Travel Boom only have little more than two weeks left of game play...will they have to wait up to 16 days for Jet Age#2 to finish before the race to have a headquarters for their airline in a big city and good condition used aircraft for their airline in the new V.1.1?

To just explain my question like a normal person, this is what I'm trying to say:
Will the V.1.1 be ready before or after the current game worlds finish? I'm not hassling anyone to hurry up with the updates, I'm just curious.  

[Sami]

I'm not "still" getting my aircraft first.  I might get the very first one, but then the next 50 could be bound for someone else if 50 orders were put in prior to launch.  Who knows when you'd actually get the 50th one.  In fact, theoretically you could never receive an entire full order

I don't know where you're getting all this .. but. If there is no order queue at the moment and you order a bunch of planes they will be quoted the delivery for example as follows: (today is Jan-90, prod rate for example 12/month): #1:  02-Mar-90, #2:  18-Mar-90, #3:  29-Mar-90, #4:  08-Apr-90, #5:  18-Apr-90 etc.

There are empty slots for other orders at 05-Mar, 09-Mar, 12-Mar, and so on. But it someone else makes an order it does not push back your orders, their dlv dates are put into these empty slots in between your deliveries (if space available there) - just opposite as probably the production rate grows if there are plenty of orders (and your deliveries start after 6 months when the prod. rate change comes into effect).

If an airline orders 50 examples of some aircraft they surely do NOT receive them to their fleet in a very short timespan...

[swiftus27]

I am only one of the many other people that are excited for this new change in AirwaySim. Though, the question running in everyone's heads is...will the V.1.1 be ready before the current game worlds finish? Jet Age#1 has only 30 real days left into its game, Jet Age#2 has 34 days which is in over four weeks time. BUT the players playing in Air Travel Boom only have little more than two weeks left of game play...will they have to wait up to 16 days for Jet Age#2 to finish before the race to have a headquarters for their airline in a big city and good condition used aircraft for their airline in the new V.1.1?

To just explain my question like a normal person, this is what I'm trying to say:
Will the V.1.1 be ready before or after the current game worlds finish? I'm not hassling anyone to hurry up with the updates, I'm just curious.  

The 1.1 will not be in the current games.  This is why there have been no new game worlds.  We are waiting for those to finish so we can start with a fresh new one.

[Kontio]

The 1.1 will not be in the current games.  This is why there have been no new game worlds.  We are waiting for those to finish so we can start with a fresh new one.

Hmm... I thought we were waiting for Sami to finish developing the new version so a new game could be started. The question was will there be a period where the old games have finished and there will be no games running due to delays in rolling out version 1.1? I suppose there will have to be if version 1.0 and version 1.1 games can not be operated simultaneously.

[Sami]

I suppose there will have to be if version 1.0 and version 1.1 games can not be operated simultaneously.

Yes they can be.

And target is to put the 1.1 live as soon as it's done and tested, hopefully before ATB has ended or very close to it.

[Dorito_25]

That makes a lot of sense. Looking forward to it!

[Filippo]

So, what will the 1.1 version scenarios be?

[Sigma]

I don't know where you're getting all this .. but. If there is no order queue at the moment and you order a bunch of planes they will be quoted the delivery for example as follows: (today is Jan-90, prod rate for example 12/month): #1:  02-Mar-90, #2:  18-Mar-90, #3:  29-Mar-90, #4:  08-Apr-90, #5:  18-Apr-90 etc.

There are empty slots for other orders at 05-Mar, 09-Mar, 12-Mar, and so on. But it someone else makes an order it does not push back your orders, their dlv dates are put into these empty slots in between your deliveries (if space available there) - just opposite as probably the production rate grows if there are plenty of orders (and your deliveries start after 6 months when the prod. rate change comes into effect).

If an airline orders 50 examples of some aircraft they surely do NOT receive them to their fleet in a very short timespan...

I was "getting it" based off what I read, and what Talentz also understood it to be.  Hence why I asked for a clarification of what you meant.

I see now what you mean and I like it.

How does the system decide how many slots to put between yours?  Does it simply alternate?  Or if production reaches a threshold does it skip to 1 out of 3 or more?

[Brockster]

So, what will the 1.1 version scenarios be?

I'm hoping we get another ATB scenario.

[Sami]

I'm hoping we get another ATB scenario.

You will. Slightly modified perhaps. And something else too, haven't decided yet.

How does the system decide how many slots to put between yours?  Does it simply alternate?  Or if production reaches a threshold does it skip to 1 out of 3 or more?

That's not done yet but it should have some sort of smart logic on that, based on the prod. queue of the model, and predictions on how popular it will be and so on. No exact details yet.

[Dalisa]

Can anyone actually say what the new game will include - for example:

1) Airplane catering & Income
2) Stock Market
3) Aircraft crashes and damages
4) Airline Takeover options
5) Airport development
6) Building acquisition i.e. offices, depots
7) Disasters and events

I look forward to hearing from anyone with insider information.

Regards

[Talentz]

Oh noes! Another ATB time frame..

If an airline orders 50 examples of some aircraft they surely do NOT receive them to their fleet in a very short timespan...

This is what I understood the most. Large orders will take years to complete. On popular aircraft(s), though. With no further details provided, we can only guess what else may or might happen in regards to productions slots and how they work, ect.


Taking the above into account, how long can one expect to take doing a 150 aircraft fleet replacement program with the new production system? My guess is the days of doing fleet replacements before 8 yr D checks are due, is no longer an option.

Also, growth via new aircraft mass quick leases will be almost fully stopped. Now that you have to wait a bit longer.

Each has its pluses and minuses, for sure.

Though Sami, do you have any information in regards to "stacking" orders? Say I order 50 aircraft. Then the following day I order 50 more. How does the production queue hand that? 1 big order or 2 different orders with different assigned slots?


We love to bother you, eh? 


Talentz

[Sigma]

Can anyone actually say what the new game will include - for example:

1) Airplane catering & Income
2) Stock Market
3) Aircraft crashes and damages
4) Airline Takeover options
5) Airport development
6) Building acquisition i.e. offices, depots
7) Disasters and events

I look forward to hearing from anyone with insider information.

Regards

Just take a look at the Announcements Forum, where Sami lists all changes as he integrates them into the new version.

As of now, none of what you've listed there, nor would I expect them as Sami's made no mention of them being forthcoming anytime soon.

[Dorito_25]

Wait...before ATB finishes...that's so soon! Little over two weeks away! I should start thinking about where I should have my headquarters...*sigh* I have school commencing on Monday for the second semester and there is no way I will have time to play...I can get really addicted to this game.
One question...how many people will be allowed to play in the new games (or what you think or plan to have in the new games)? 200? 175? or 375 again? I don't think there was an answer...all I heard was people begging and pleading not to have a 375 people game.

[Flightman]

I want future game that nobody knows whats the fuel prices will be etc. Like 2009-2030 and gamedays should be max 15min

Now its easy, becaus we know what happend in the past.

[Sami]

and gamedays should be max 15min

That's not going to happen.

[swiftus27]

Id feel sorry for the sim if it was 15 minutes.

[Brockster]

Yeah. I even thought 20 minutes was almost too fast on the private game.

[Filippo]

Yeah. I even thought 20 minutes was almost too fast on the private game.

24 minutes would be more logical: 1 minute=1hour.

You will. Slightly modified perhaps. And something else too, haven't decided yet.

I would love to have:
ATB
Jet Age
Original 1992 - 2005

That would be awesome!