Passenger demand data

Allan · November 17, 2017, 08:38:43 PM

Hi,

I am really interested in getting passenger demand data in excel or something similar. I do my scheduling in excel and taking data one by one from the "open new route" is not really efficient nor cool way to waste time. Would it be possible to add opportunity to download passenger demand data? Since you need it for all your bases it should be made possible to change the base airport. Data should include Destination, Distance and Demand. This would help a lot of players to greate more advanced schedules more easily.

Vintage Airlines (GW2)
Allan

Fidiasz · November 17, 2017, 08:47:04 PM

I support this idea soooooo much. I'm also using excel for this, but collecting data one by one for number of bases is just like pain in the ass.

gazzz0x2z · November 17, 2017, 08:50:52 PM

Well, that's Sami's breadwinner you want for free.....

Fidiasz · November 17, 2017, 08:58:45 PM

Quote from: gazzz0x2z on November 17, 2017, 08:50:52 PM
Well, that's Sami's breadwinner you want for free.....

I understand what You're saying, though I don't agree. Allan talk about just small amount of data, and not whole data base available for players.
Well, there is alternative option that might do good. More filtering option at route planning, more detailed data views while looking for route to create.

Allan · November 17, 2017, 09:01:17 PM

To be honest, not for free. We all are paying to play this game. Not here to argue though.

Since the demand is not one number but it changes in some range then giving the ballpark of the demand shouldn't be a problem on my opinion. If you want to steal it you can do it at the moment too. Just take it out one by one and thats it. And what are you going to use this info for? There are always people with the worst thoughts on their minds but there are so much more players who could really benefit from this.

Allan

Allan · November 17, 2017, 09:12:51 PM

And yeah, like Fidiasz was saying, you would get demand data only for your bases. So if you want to steal it you have to restart your airline quite a lot of times. It can also be limited. Like you can take it if you have more than 15 planes flying or something like that. This would eliminate the possibility to just restart your airline and gather information, that would make you waste quite some time to get the info just for one base. For second, third, ... base you would get the demand right away of-course cause you have already invested a lot of time playing this GW.

If this is definitely no go, which I wouldn't really understand but there are other things to do which would help planning as well. You could filter the airports by demand so that you wouldn't waste your time looking through airports that have very little or no demand at all. Like in real life there are systems which you can use to see the TOP O&D demand.

Obviously I really like this game but since I have to work as well, like very many players here, the planning should be made much easier and I think excel would be the easiest way to do it. Exact data you would need is already on "open new route" page and the only thing that would be added is download link.

Allan

Luperco · November 17, 2017, 09:32:46 PM

No way. You cannot have it.
It seems that the idea of fun in this game is click, and click, and click,and click , and click...

Allan · November 17, 2017, 10:39:42 PM

Why so pessimistic? It has been for quite some time only click, click, click and click. I've been playing this game for I don't even know how long now and if planning doesn't get easier in some way I think there is time when I exit the game.

I am not saying that downloading it is the only way, no, of-course not, but there has to come some add-ons that help to reduce the enormous time spent on getting the demand and making schedules so that the demand is met. I really like to play it but makeing it click, click, click game isn't why we all are here, or are we? The idea is that we all are aviation freaks and we want to beat each other, why not give additional motivation to people who want to make more out of this game? Cargo is very cool add-on and it is huge but making everyday life easier is I would say even more important.

No point to say no, no, no. I am sure everybody would love to get this process easier and instead we should everybody have a brain storm and think how can we do it?

Allan

Tha_Ape · November 17, 2017, 11:00:13 PM

I think Emanuele put (at least partially) a little irony in his sentence

Allan · November 18, 2017, 04:21:48 PM

Ohh, okay. I was very tired when I wrote it and thats why missed the emotion in the text.

Allan

Luperco · November 20, 2017, 07:26:35 AM

Not only irony

Sami explicitly answer to a similar question I've done few years ago that this system to research the routes demand will never change. Or, at least, we will never have a way to get all the data together.

He also negate even the possibility to have amounts without spaces to separate the thousands to facilitate import of financial data in spreadsheet.

So... Click, click, click...

Nevertheless, it is still the best airline simulation on the web.
Among those I know at least.

Jake · November 20, 2017, 08:49:27 AM

Isn't this thread a bit useless seeing as the demand from A to B is pretty much up to you soon? So, in theory, there is no "demand data" in the future, not in the way you are asking for when you asked for the ability to download PAX data when in fact, a route with 500 pax demand could change to 50 pax demand from one month to the next if anyone starts flying into a nearby airport...

Allan · November 20, 2017, 09:49:16 AM

I really don't get your point. If you plan your scehdules you look the demand number and then you know how many times you want to fly there. It is kind of obvious that there is competition but if you make your decision based on competition only well then you can open up any route. And if the demand is going to be based on city pairs and not between airports then the demand would be shown with city pairs and thats it.

It's really sad to hear that there isn't going to be any progress with that.

Allan

Luperco · November 20, 2017, 10:01:07 AM

Quote from: Japanese Commuter on November 20, 2017, 08:49:27 AM
Isn't this thread a bit useless seeing as the demand from A to B is pretty much up to you soon? So, in theory, there is no "demand data" in the future, not in the way you are asking for when you asked for the ability to download PAX data when in fact, a route with 500 pax demand could change to 50 pax demand from one month to the next if anyone starts flying into a nearby airport...

First of all the demand by city will be delivered in a, "we don't know how far", future.

Secondly, as pointed by Allan, with city based demand, it will be the same as now. The fact that demand si taken by a competitor in another airport, doesn't change the total demand for the route. If I'm better than my competitor I can still take 500 passengers from the city.