PAX demand increase ?

[elitemedia]

Hi everybody,

In game 1 we are now at the end of year 2000, and i must say that from Dallas i've noticed that demand for most of worldwide destinations hasn't increased a dime or really very little, except for some routes like London, Shangai and a few more others...

Did you noticed that out from other hubs ? because as far as i know air transport annually growth (carried passengers) is around 10% yearly, so i assume that on routes where there was a 100pax daily request, it should be at least now at around 160/170 pax daily, instead of that it stays exactly as it was in the game beginning...

Also what could be interesting for next version, would be to have the pax calculation request per week aswell.... exemple:

DFW-SYD weekly pax request = 700 / Daily pax request = 100

In actual calculation, if we assign 1 aircrat (200pax) 3 x week on that route, the load factor will be calculated only per daily pax request, but in reality the passenger which wants to fly on the day where there is no flight scheduled in most of cases he will wait the next day for the scheduled direct flight, and in that case we would have a higher LF...

[Seattle]

what you said (for the bottom) is planned and will be introduced at some time in the future.

Also, it depends were you are, I have seen plenty of route with a 30-80 pax gain in all the game Im in.

Also, its a bad time to ask for that as, well, 9/11 is about to hit 

You know what that brings.

[Sami]

in 1992 the pax travel index of the world was ~65. In year 2000 where the game is it is around ~90 pts.

=> 30-40% increase in demand overall, worldwide.

[elitemedia]

Well Sami,

I'm sorry to say, but in Dallas we dont see this increase... most of routes still have the same demand as in the beginning of the game, except like said earlier, for routes like London, Shangai, Hong Kong...

I give you a simple exemple, Paris route didnt move a dime, so didn't Francfort, and i could make a long list...

[Sami]

I checked it myself by comparing game 1 and game 3 which are a few years apart and they give different pax figures, like it should be.

game1, year 2001, dfw-lhr, 1280pax/day
game3, year 1998, dfw-lhr, 1150pax/day.

That route was probably around 900-1000 pax in 1993.

--> Works like it should.

[elitemedia]

Sami, you are giving me reason  i said "except some routes such LHR", if i take a look at inside routes most of them haven't increase pax RQ, and a 18% request increase in such a route like LHR it's nothing in a 10 years period Sami, its not even an increase of 1,5% per year...

[Sami]

The raise or fall of those demand figures is based on real data of global air travel's development. So far it is a global index only, ie. one figure affects all routes worldwide but later on it will be also country specific so we can model local recessions etc. Between 1992 and 2006 the demand for air traffic has almost doubled, and this is modeled in the game.

Then .. checking DFW-CDG:
* Game 1 - 590pax/d
* Game 3 - 560pax/d

These two games are only 3 years apart as posted previously. Here the increase in actual pax'es is small as the demand itself seems to be quite small too. But it increases like the rest of the routes.

[elitemedia]

Well if we consider only a 3% (wich is above the real pax RQ increase) pax RQ increasing we still not getting there... 

1998 - 560pax RQ + 3% = 577
1999 - 577pax RQ + 3% = 594
2000 - 594pax RQ + 3% = 611

Thats why i really have the feeling that pax RQ didn't really increased very much, and thats why i was asking other people opinion...

But hey... nevermind it was just a question... 

[isuzu777]

Dallas always gets the shaft lol! In game 2, it was choked of slots/hr even though far smaller airports (like Newark) has almost 50% more slots (DFW approx 47 and EWR had like 70).

And I have never seen pax demand increase in DFW, unless it was so minuscule it was not noticed.

[Talentz]

DFW doesnt increase in pax? Ha! Thats because IAH > DFW!


No, but I have seen a visible increase in pax demand across my network. In fact, I think its the main reason I've had more competition flying in into IAH within the past 1-2 years, then the pervoius 5 years. Its because theres alot of "fat" on my routes. Which means demand has increased because normally, I oversell a route at the start. (100 seats over demand, ect.)


Notable routes: IAH-CVG. I started with 1 747SR, 5 years ago. The route was oversold by 200 seats. Now, its undersold by 150 seats.

IAH-PEK. 5-6 years ago, it sucked.. 250 daily. Now its something like 400-450 daily. Increases have been both domestic and international.


So to me, as I've seen in the past 4 games, works fine.


Now.. if I could motivate myself to add more capacity.. 


Talentz

[elitemedia]

No really its not a complain, it could be worse..., but it really seems that pax RQ increase in Dallas is really insignificant, many routes that i opened 8 years ago didnt increased nothing, and still impossible to add more aircrafts to those routes...

And by the way Sami, with 7 runways in Dallas (4 of them over 4000m) it seems to me that the 47 movements/hour are not very realistic... could you take a look at it ?

[deepblue501]

sami, i have to agree with elitemedia on this.

I have had 2 opportunities to watch increase/decrease in PAX  in game 2: as Sherwood in Munich and now as Omani in Muscat.

There's hardly ANY PAX change over many years' time. I played in MUC from 1993-2000 and now from 2000-2003 i play in Muscat.

Nothing. Not even 10%. The only change you get is when you click on one route it says e.g. 130 PAX, then you close, and reopen again, and it says 140, next time 120, then 130 again and so on. But this is hardly any variation.

Sorry to say, Sami, but this is DEFINETELY something you should look at in future versions, as it is NOT working according to real life statistics.

[elitemedia]

Sami i give you one concrete exemple....

DFW-GVA i open this line in 1994 (1 year after game start) the pax demand for this line was at the time 85 pax, i've checked today and the pax RQ is hardly at 90 pax, so this means less than 7% in 10 years...

And this is for almost all destinations, except some very popular city's like london, hong kong, shangai.... etc...

[toyotaboy95]

Sami i give you one concrete exemple....

DFW-GVA i open this line in 1994 (1 year after game start) the pax demand for this line was at the time 85 pax, i've checked today and the pax RQ is hardly at 90 pax, so this means less than 7% in 10 years...

And this is for almost all destinations, except some very popular city's like london, hong kong, shangai.... etc...

that's why we should *MUST* have demand based on supply by airlines rather than set figures.

[Seattle]

that's why we should *MUST* have demand based on supply by airlines rather than set figures.

Use search... Its planned... but not top priority. Have you not noticed Sam is trying to get the new version with many improved features (most namely a completely new A/C delivery) out.

[toyotaboy95]

Use search... Its planned... but not top priority. Have you not noticed Sam is trying to get the new version with many improved features (most namely a completely new A/C delivery) out.

yep. i saw a thread waay back then.....that's why i made it "should". wanted to quote it though, but couldn't find it.

[yyebo]

OK, guys, according to Sami, the pax does increase by time.

My question is: how about the ticket price?

for example:

Between A and B, comparing the year 1996 and year 2000, company monopoly the route, same a/c, same image and marketing...

The only difference is:

if in 1996 we charge at $200 for a ticket (Y class) will get a 90% LF
Can we increase the ticket price to $220 for a ticket (Y class) from time to time (not at once) and still get a 90% LF?

You know, the inflations...

[Sami]

Inflation is modeled to all prices from tickets to salaries etc. (check the change in the "suggested prices")

[bukatino2000]

Sami, can i check the suggested price without to undertake it?