Monopoly on route?

[smanek]

I'm playing the Asia Challenge as Indian Express and I received a message saying I may be in violation of the game rules because I am 'oversupplying' VOBL-VABB, and the route will be shut down unless I reduce capacity.

All 3 daily flights need to be closed as per the message - surely they don't expect me to go from 3 daily to 0? This is not a monopoly - another carrier operates 2 daily flights with 40% of the market.

Is this a bug which can be ignored or will the route really be unjustifiably shut?

[Zombie Slayer]

If you supply 200% or more of the route, the route will justifiably be shut down due to oversupply. This has been an anti-bully feature for almost 2 years now. If you don't think you supply 200% of the route, be sure to check demand in both directions.

Don

[smanek]

Thanks for your reply. The demand in each direction fluctuates between 380 and 480 passengers a day, of which I supply 378, so my capacity is under 100%, and nowhere near 200%. With competition included, there are about 620 seats available each way.

[ARASKA]

I believe that the Banglore demand went to 0 when the airport was opened and stayed that way for a few days. Is it from that? 

[Zombie Slayer]

Thanks for your reply. The demand in each direction fluctuates between 380 and 480 passengers a day, of which I supply 378, so my capacity is under 100%, and nowhere near 200%. With competition included, there are about 620 seats available each way.

It looks like you will be ok then. If you get another warning, I would fill out a bug report so Sami can have a look at it.

I believe that the Banglore demand went to 0 when the airport was opened and stayed that way for a few days. Is it from that? 

If so, this in and of it self deserves a bug report. There have been some odd happenings when new airports open lately.

Don

[DHillMSP]

It looks like you will be ok then. If you get another warning, I would fill out a bug report so Sami can have a look at it.

If so, this in and of it self deserves a bug report. There have been some odd happenings when new airports open lately.

Don

I think that was addressed in Sami's most recent set of notes regarding changes to the sim.....

[stansu]

I have several routes that has 60 (or less) demand, and I am flying with B737-200adv which has 120 seats. I got the warning about oversupply closure too. But I don't have a smaller a/c readily available to swap it out.

Since there is no competition on the route and I am only flying one a/c, will I still be considered for monopoly/oversupply closure?

Thanks

[Sami]

https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,26356.msg242745.html#new

https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Manual/General/Rules/#Competition

[Mr.HP]

Hi sami,

I've just got immediately 3 warnings

1. Demand is 20, I provide 1 single flight with total of 73 seats
2. Demand is 20, I also provide 1 single flight with total of 94 seats
3. Demand to is 70, return is only 10. I provide 54 on a single flight. And the system sent a warning on the return flight

Those routes clearly are supplied over 200% demand, but since I've never received warning, I assume the warning doesn't kick in if the routes are served by only 1 single flight.

So, does the new rule make the changes here?

HP

[chiveicrook]

I assume the warning doesn't kick in if the routes are served by only 1 single flight.

Apparently it was a bug. Now fixed.

[Meicci]

So, does the new rule make the changes here?

Noticed this also, and asked from sami about it. It should be in the change log now, so apparently this isn't allowed anymore.

[NorgeFly]

Apparently it was a bug. Now fixed.

I didn't think this was a bug, thought it was an exception to the rule but now seems to have been changed back.

It made sense too as it allowed routes to be served with existing larger aircraft with a single flight rather than having to introduce a new fleet type.

I just got a warning for a route with demand of 20-28 per day. I was supplying 40 seats with a turbo prop so have had to cut the Sat and Sun flight as they were technically oversupplied. Seems a bit odd really.

[TranceAvia]

Very unhappy about this! Half my network is deemed in oversupply? Now, surely its my loss if I want to fly my planes half full instead of cluttering up LGW with small planes?

[NorgeFly]

I don't see what difference it makes to competition whether we fly a 100 seat aircraft or a 200 seat aircraft on a route with demand of 75 for example. We will lift the same number passengers regardless.

[Curse]

https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,44349.0.html

It must be a bug. It can't be the intention of the system to disallow the usage of about 10% of all routes in the gameworld.

[NorgeFly]

I just got a warning that twelve routes in MT7 are now going to be shut down. I'm serving them all with a single daily Q400 with 78 seats, and without my service the routes would be unserved. Great.

Edit: as I've removed the schedules of these routes I've also noticed that due to my pricing they are carrying as many as 60 passengers on average so supplying 78 seats is hardly excessive.

[thedr2]

Sami, this isn't right. It's going to strangle the gameplay for many players. Please change it back.

[RushmoreAir]

Sami, this isn't right. It's going to strangle the gameplay for many players. Please change it back.

+1

Many players, especially in the Jet Age games, including myself make an airline out of operating many regional "niche" routes that are small, with an aircraft that's not all that oversized (40 pax prop on 10-20 pax route) considering the short distances involved.

Changing this rule is bad enough, but doing it in the middle of active games (where you just ruined 50+ players' strategies) is not cool.  Please change it back.

[ARASKA]

Sami, this isn't right. It's going to strangle the gameplay for many players. Please change it back.

+2. I doubt anyone on here likes this rule. Please change it back Sami.

[Sami]

quoting here from the other thread:

(....)
Just have to find the proper equipment for each route. This change is also preparation for some possible future changes, and also otherwise to point out that the written rules MUST be followed.

The one-flight-free rule would not work either, as in this particular case for example it would be non-beneficial or impossible for a competitor to enter the route as you already supply 3-fold the demand on that route. That, allowing competition, is the main idea of the whole rule. (the competition does not have to be on the route, just oversupplying by a huge margin is also effective competition blocking and this is one thing that is being addressed)