Crying about competition

[TranceAvia]

There seems to be a constant stream of complaints about being unfairly treated by bigger airlines as they start up...

The way I see it, we were all new once. We all walked right into a big hub and got a beating. We all ran off with our tail between our legs to a smaller field and learnt our trade there. Then we grow and eventually become the one doing the beating (as I am doing in Greece in Jet Age at the moment). Been the only lasting airline in Greece since the word go.

Its a tough game, and I for one find this the reason I come back day after day (and in many cases hour after hour)!

So to the competition, I welcome it. I interpret the rules as sticking to realism as much as possible and if you are telling me there was a little upstart in Dublin, Ryanair would squash them like a fly, you have another thing coming?!

On the other hand, we have seen airlines protected from reality in real life such as Malev and Spanair etc before. When protection ends, so can the airline. So I don't see this being the answer.

I think the only way to change this is to get the process of product offerings introduced so pax can be persuaded by either a ULCC model (no frills) and cheap fares or a quality product with higher fares. This way, new starters can win by offering a better/different product offering than their competitors...

What's your thoughts?

[lilius]

There seems to be a constant stream of complaints about being unfairly treated by bigger airlines as they start up...

The way I see it, we were all new once. We all walked right into a big hub and got a beating. We all ran off with our tail between our legs to a smaller field and learnt our trade there. Then we grow and eventually become the one doing the beating (as I am doing in Greece in Jet Age at the moment). Been the only lasting airline in Greece since the word go.

Its a tough game, and I for one find this the reason I come back day after day (and in many cases hour after hour)!

So to the competition, I welcome it. I interpret the rules as sticking to realism as much as possible and if you are telling me there was a little upstart in Dublin, Ryanair would squash them like a fly, you have another thing coming?!

On the other hand, we have seen airlines protected from reality in real life such as Malev and Spanair etc before. When protection ends, so can the airline. So I don't see this being the answer.

I think the only way to change this is to get the process of product offerings introduced so pax can be persuaded by either a ULCC model (no frills) and cheap fares or a quality product with higher fares. This way, new starters can win by offering a better/different product offering than their competitors...

What's your thoughts?

That you can join the discussion in the other thread and read the arguments there?

[dmoose42]

no offense intended, but i love the snarky comment.  it cracks me up.  nicely done.

[TranceAvia]

This is not specific to any one case. I would have to post that in about 10 or more different topics...

[Troxartas86]

The one thing that nearly killed my best airline to date was an upstart competitor that first attacked the best route I had at my 2nd base from the opposite end and then came after me directly in my HQ. I did everything I could to hold on and years later I'm still around while they aren't though I still don't really know why.

My point being, if you want to take down or at least really hurt an established airline, you probably can. You just have to approach the situation very carefully.

[alexgv1]

The trick to succeeding is chasing margin share and not market share in a competitive environment.

[lilius]

This is not specific to any one case. I would have to post that in about 10 or more different topics...

Or in the other thread where we are discussing the exact same thing. Its the top thread in this forum.

[bdnascar3]

I don't think the problem is competition, I think it goes to some people consider this a business simulation and some consider it a game. Both sides like competition but have different views of what a 'win' is. For a sim guy, a win is a profitable airline. For a gamer, it's the total annihilation of everyone else.  This is where the issue's start. The Simmer thinks the Gamer is being unfair when he doubles up on routes, sends his alliance buddies to your base, and other borderline tactics.  The Gamer on the other hand doesn't understand why the sim guy would go into a market with one or two airlines already there and serving capacity and feel it's an attack. Not sure what a good solution is other then more game worlds.

[ARASKA]

If we weren't allowed to base at an airport where someone else was based, we would an airline based in Cheongju South Korea and another based in Harlingen - Valley International. Oh, and to get rid of all competition, how about we can't fly anywhere where someone is based. KCRP would be the largest airport that you could fly too other than your home base. 

[TranceAvia]

Or in the other thread where we are discussing the exact same thing. Its the top thread in this forum.

Sorry, I'm not quite understanding why you are hell bent on not discussing non specific examples?

[lilius]

Sorry, I'm not quite understanding why you are hell bent on not discussing non specific examples?

You are right, it doesnt have to be specific and it isnt either. We are all very general in the posts and Im sure what the OP seeked was a general discussion too.

I your argument is pretty weak about Malev and Spanair. By not letting new players in we are letting Malev win and we are letting Wizzair go BK before getting to 4th airplane and we are doing it at the same time as we are hailing to some severely scewed definition of free market and competition.