Which Aircraft to Use?

[Pilot Oatmeal]

I have a fewroutes that is 700NM and has a Passenger demand of 100-220 a day.  I also have a few routes that are 1400-1700NM with 100-200 Passengers a day.  I don't wish to add two fleet types to my fleet and I was wondering which Aircraft everyone would recommend for these routes.

Thank you
J. Oates

[JumboShrimp]

There are a few fleet groups that can handle both just fine.  737NG, A32X, Bombardier BCS, or Embraer.

[castelino009]

I have a fewroutes that is 700NM and has a Passenger demand of 100-220 a day.  I also have a few routes that are 1400-1700NM with 100-200 Passengers a day.  I don't wish to add two fleet types to my fleet and I was wondering which Aircraft everyone would recommend for these routes.

Thank you
J. Oates

A32X family

A318
A319
A320
A321

Nothing beats these babies. one set of tools, one fleet type no  classic or NG crap.


Cheers
VJC

[Pilot Oatmeal]

I was thinking about using the A32x family but with some routes being only a 100 passengers I thought I'd be wasting fuel and seats, am I wrong in thinking this?

[JumboShrimp]

I was thinking about using the A32x family but with some routes being only a 100 passengers I thought I'd be wasting fuel and seats, am I wrong in thinking this?

318 is competitive for 100 pax routes.

[Pilot Oatmeal]

so boeing 717 and embraers 195s our out of the picture?  Should I go for the airbuses?

[JumboShrimp]

so boeing 717 and embraers 195s our out of the picture?  Should I go for the airbuses?

I guess they are somewhat acceptable, but nowhere near as versatile as 737NG and A320 line if you want to use only 1 fleet group.  You need to look at range of pax capacities and ranges of aircraft as well.

[filipebravo]

Embraer 195 is acceptable, but you need to compress Y class....

[Jona L.]

B737NG!!! always over the A32Xfamily!!!!

There was (way back, about 2 years or so ago, didn't find it anymore) a comparison between A321-200 with B737-800, and the B738 in AWS pulls in about a Million more/Year if used on the same routes with the same LF [all using theoretical values, but pretty realistic, and WORKING]

Besides the Diningtable for pilots on the A32X fam. there aint no big of a deal between those, except for the horrible FBW system on the A320s [FBW=Fly by wire*]

Choose the B737NG
-B736 works fine on a route with 80 seats
-B737 is pretty much sufficient, as B736 provides the low-pax routes, and B738 sucks less fuel despite having about 30PAX more
-B738 Superb for all routes between 130 and open end demands. Works great on all ranges, even for Trans-Atlatic Operations. **
-B739ER successor over the std. B739 due to the possibility of Trans-Atlatic ranges as well, but both great for all routes with 175 and more PAX.

Jona L.

*As of the poem: "Fly by wire - say your prayer"
** Thanks to sami not having ETOPS in here

[Pilot Oatmeal]

Anyone else have the opinion of jona?

The boeing fleet uses more fuel the airbuses though. 

[JumboShrimp]

IMO both 737ng and a320 are excellent. If longer range is desired I would go with 737 otherwise a320

[swiftus27]

as with most aircraft in this game, there are often more factors that need to be included.  Proximity to other airports, fleet commonality, and more also need to be included.  I can see merit in both A/C.

[Jona L.]

Anyone else have the opinion of jona?

The boeing fleet uses more fuel the airbuses though. 

But in the end the 737 is more efficient, as it has lower maintenace cost in some points, etc.

generally I have a bit of a dislike towards airbus [because it is French and not American, but that ain't the matter], except for the A300s [no FBW ]. but Boeing always was and will always be a successor over Airbus especially since their fat-ugly-lady called A380

[Pilot Oatmeal]

Woah airbus is not just French, Its British aswell... we manufacture the Rolls Royce engines and wings...(among other things)...and I wouldn't say boeing is a successor over airbus, even the US airforce wanted the airbus A330 over the Boeing 767, until boeing had a baby fit and modified the 767 ...

and the ugly A380 maybe ugly...but its actually flying and in service unlike the 787...

but besides the RL fight between Airbus and Boeing, I'm here to find whats the best aircraft in AWS for these routes lol

[GEnx]

Airbus aircraft manufacturing is coordinated over a very wide range of European countries, making them more European than actual French aircraft (which also provides employment for many Germans, Jona ).

[Pilot Oatmeal]

Airbus aircraft manufacturing is coordinated over a very wide range of European countries, making them more European than actual French aircraft (which also provides employment for many Germans, Jona ).

Very true i stand corrected +1

[Jona L.]

Airbus aircraft manufacturing is coordinated over a very wide range of European countries, making them more European than actual French aircraft (which also provides employment for many Germans, Jona ).

I know.... and companies like Mercedes Benz may not sell their parts/stocks of EADS/Airbus, to keep a German-French level in it, making MB have losses in their stock owning section...... anyways, I don't really care, as for me no European country is a real option... none that I would like, but that has nothing to do with AWS, neither with Boeing vs. Airbus and even less with Airbus vs. Boeing in AWS

As for general I will (somewhen later tonight, when I am done managing my airline) serach that dusty old topic with the A32X vs. B737NG thing again.

for now I say cya laters

[GEnx]

I thought you said one of the reasons that you preferred Boeing over Airbus aircraft, is because Airbus is French, which is why I brought up the matter. Anyway, let's not take this too far off-topic.

[Jona L.]

I thought you said one of the reasons that you preferred Boeing over Airbus aircraft, is because Airbus is French, which is why I brought up the matter. Anyway, let's not take this too far off-topic.

Just found the confusing part... I just did not explicitly mention that it had nothing to do with a de-facto Boeing vs. Airbus so no personal things, just the facts

[Pilot Oatmeal]

I'm about to go ahead and my decision, I'm choosing between the A32x, boeing 737NG, or Embreaer 195s... Can anyone have look at belfast aldergroves pax demand and tell what you would do in my situation.

Thank you,

J. Oates (FlyEurope)