Just wondering why some players choose to give...

[L1011fan]

a different flight number everyday of the week instead of just doing it 1234567? I mean if its, departing and arriving the same times daily, why do that? Very curious. I don't see the advantage and it really just makes for a lot of scrolling. I don't care really, but I'm very curious as to why this is done at some carriers. 

[swiftus27]

It is because these people stagger their flights differently.

They have 8 planes flying a specific rotation so that all A checks are covered.  Essentially, there are many many different airplanes flying into your airport.

Who in their right mind fills their schedule for each plane with up to 20 (3x daily - 1 for an A check) flights???  I can see this with large planes that fly 5 routes per week but not for those planes that can even fly up to 5-6 routes per week.

[Curse]

It's a strategy to maximize profits and avoid days a flight can not occur because of A-Checks. You need seven aircraft of same size etc., so it's not easy to use in V1.2, you need lots of free slots (so it's no fun for Haneda or Heathrow based airlines) and you must invest 3x to 5x more time than for a normal schedule (in my experience).



702AA to 702AG (DC-8-61) are special scheduled, 751AA to 751AE (DC-8-62) have standard schedule, because two aircraft on order were not delivered as this screenshot was taken.


Also special for swiftus;

NAMC YS-11A-200




and Fokker 50 (Euro Challenge 2 with third leg routes!)

[Talentz]

Waste of time if you ask me.

There's times when you can squeeze in a 7th LH flight using that method. But doing it for everything is not worth the effort spent. There are far more effective ways to run an airline in AWS. Far more.




Talentz

[Curse]

You have to spend a lot of time, that's right and if you have less time, this is for sure not the first way you should go to optimize your airline.

But it is definitely useful because you avoid the gap of the A-Check (for me the biggest point to do that). All other things like perfect departure and arrival time, more flights per week etc. are additionals.

It's one further step to the perfect airline, but it is not necessary to run a very good airline. In my opinion AWS is like a puzzle. You have a lot of possibilities that makes your airline stronger, fleet com, clever choice of starting base, aircraft you chose, time availability to scan the used market, 7-day-schedule, "saving" of good slots... you must'n use all of the pieces to see what the big picture is, but it will help.

[Jona L.]

I did always think of that, and I started that technique in one of my current game worlds, practiced first with CRJ1 on LGW-CDG [24xdaily] and CRJ1 LGW-AGP [20xdaily] with that scheme, and then I did th big deal with 7x B744 LHR-KUL (4x/plane) and now I cover the route 100% with (nearly) full planes on >default prices.
on LHR-TPE I did something similar, just that I did 3 fligts under one number [1-3-5-/-2-4-6-/--3-5-7/1--4-6-/etc.] and then having each plane also 1x weekly on LHR-DXB, and BRU  making HELL LOT OF MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!


Jona L.

[swiftus27]

Curse, you dont need to host pictures on this site.  All you need to do is click the + additional option at the bottom of the reply page and attach the file.  It took me forever to figure this out too.

[Curse]

Picute Test

Edit: Damn, it worked! But it puts the pictures always on the bottom of the posting, right? And mobile users will try to kill my account   However, thanks a lot for this hint, swiftus27. *deleted this picture*

[L1011fan]

Waste of time if you ask me.

There's times when you can squeeze in a 7th LH flight using that method. But doing it for everything is not worth the effort spent. There are far more effective ways to run an airline in AWS. Far more.




Talentz

I think I'm with you on this. Never had a problem with A checks just doing 1234567.

[Curse]

How do you do 2x 11hr flights 1234567? Or do you really leave on every aircraft you have a daily unscheduled time >5 hours because there is the A-check on one day?

[JumboShrimp]

How do you do 2x 11hr flights 1234567? Or do you really leave on every aircraft you have a daily unscheduled time >5 hours because there is the A-check on one day?

The obvious (not so pervect) way is to have one 1234567 and another 12345-7 and use another plane to fill in the gap, if you want to.

[Curse]

I know, my intention was that everybody will notice exactly this by himself 

The problem with these "fill up" flights is mainly that you not always have the same gap to fill up. So either you choose a flight that's too long for most gaps or that is too short and you waste time. Also you have different configurated aircraft what will make crazy looking flights.

However, everybody must go his own way and do what he thinks is the best way.


Not a nice schedule and two or three flights are already deleted, but I think everybody can see the difference to the screenshots in my posting above...

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[meiru]

... do you know what I would like to see in the future? ... I would like to see a separation of the route planing and the scheduling. So, what I would like to have is a possibility to create a 1234567 flight, but fly it with 2, 3 or even 7 different planes... but, for that the whole scheduling system is a bit slow... this would have to be solved without roundtrips to the server... oh, and by the way... I'd also like a drag and drop feature for the scheduling page... ... ok, and now wait two hours and I've got an other 5 ideas 

oh, got one... I would like to be able to schedule the flights on a 2,3 or 4 week base instead of a 1 week plan... so then I could fly a flight every second week with one plane and in between with a second one... to fill the gaps even bether...

[GDK]

meiru, we'll need a lot of route planners and it will be too complicated for some players.

[JumboShrimp]

... do you know what I would like to see in the future? ... I would like to see a separation of the route planing and the scheduling. So, what I would like to have is a possibility to create a 1234567 flight, but fly it with 2, 3 or even 7 different planes... but, for that the whole scheduling system is a bit slow... this would have to be solved without roundtrips to the server... oh, and by the way... I'd also like a drag and drop feature for the scheduling page... ... ok, and now wait two hours and I've got an other 5 ideas 

oh, got one... I would like to be able to schedule the flights on a 2,3 or 4 week base instead of a 1 week plan... so then I could fly a flight every second week with one plane and in between with a second one... to fill the gaps even bether...

That stuff sounds a little complicated to implement, but I definitely agree on the speed of the scheduling page.  Having to set up schedules like Curse does drives me crazy on a slow connection.  It is not a picnic on a super fast connection and a super fast computer.

It is not just the round trip to the server to load and display the entire schedule, for whatever number of rows you have it set up.  What I find most annoying is, what appears to be server round trips as you pass with the mouse over the schedule, to give you the baloon help info on the blocks of your schedule.  It basically freezes the browser....

I placed a request for new feature - ability to show schedule of only 1 aircraft at the time.  The loading of it would be a lot quicker, and even the round trips to the server on baloon help pop ups seems to be quicker.  The advantage of it, by being in a mode of scheduling just 1 aircraft is that even after you add a route, it would go right back to displaying schedule for only 1 aircraft, rather than the whole schedule...

[GDK]

I placed a request for new feature - ability to show schedule of only 1 aircraft at the time.  The loading of it would be a lot quicker, and even the round trips to the server on baloon help pop ups seems to be quicker.  The advantage of it, by being in a mode of scheduling just 1 aircraft is that even after you add a route, it would go right back to displaying schedule for only 1 aircraft, rather than the whole schedule...

[Curse]

That stuff sounds a little complicated to implement, but I definitely agree on the speed of the scheduling page.  Having to set up schedules like Curse does drives me crazy on a slow connection.  It is not a picnic on a super fast connection and a super fast computer.

What I find most annoying is, what appears to be server round trips as you pass with the mouse over the schedule, to give you the baloon help info on the blocks of your schedule.  It basically freezes the browser....

No problems here with $fastest_PC_possible and 100MBit internet @ Firefox 3.7 and Win 7    But I'm also sitting not this far away from the servers than users from Asia, North America or Oceania (and all other places with small internet connection to Europe like Spain  )

The biggest problem for me is scrolling down after setting up of routes, so I have to change the shown aircraft between 15 ("scheduling-mode") and 70 ("normal-mode").

Also there could be some other improvements, but those would only affect a very small percentage of players, so sami better codes things that affects all.  

By the way, setting up a 7-day-schedule (and yes, the creating of the first schedule is fun and interesting, what really sucks is copying every route 6x...) is much more fun if you watch a movie or tv series at your second monitor/TV.

[meiru]

That stuff sounds a little complicated to implement, ...

... well, I wouldn't say that... I've made some pages like that before and they were not that difficult to write and also pretty quick...

[Riger]

The stagger method using 7 aircraft to cycle through the schedule has worked very well for me in he past but, as has been stated earlier, it makes more sense for the Long Hauls that cannot do the same flight on consecutive days than it does for the short hauls.

Best Regards
Richard