Shame on De Gaulle MT2

[swiftus27]

REALLY?

This crap is a freaking joke.





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[JumboShrimp]

Maybe he wants to start a side business as a leasing company.

Why spend money on expensive configuration if the end user will probably reconfigure based on his own specifications...

[Sami]

hmm, I thought that wasn't possible anymore

[swiftus27]

Maybe he wants to start a side business as a leasing company.

Why spend money on expensive configuration if the end user will probably reconfigure based on his own specifications...

So you add 45 million to the price over value... but that's just NOT enough... so you save around $1.5m on seating.

Sorry, bull$hit.

[Curse]

What's the problem? If you lease the aircraft, you reconfigurate it and use it...

[juanchopancho]

wow, great deal! lol

[JonesyUK]

Don't like it, don't lease it. Simple!

[Riger]

Setting aside the "Don't like it - don't lease it" thought (which I agree with);

What is the purpose of doing that ?

Regards
Richard

[JumboShrimp]

Setting aside the "Don't like it - don't lease it" thought (which I agree with);

What is the purpose of doing that ?

Suppose you have more money than you know what to do with running your airline.  One way to "invest" the money is to order highly desirable planes which you don't really need (put an order in the queue).

A lot of people want these highly desirable planes, but with the new ordering system, you can get them extremely slowly.  Rather than wait 2 or more years game time, with your money tied up there, people might be willing to buy (or lease) an aircraft at premium, getting it right away (within 2 weeks).

So the player in question is basically exploiting the new ordering system with slow delivery times by getting in many desirable queues and selling (or leasing) at an inflated price.

[Sigma]

I dont think that's what's at question, JumboShrimp; but rather why someone would configure a brand new plane with only 30 seats.

At one point in time this was a decidedly under-handed tactic to screw over unknowledgeable players by not only hoping they'd pay you WAY more than a plane is worth but also have to spend millions more reconfiguring it.  It was often done with cheaper planes that newer players would buy, then find they had nowhere near the cash to reconfigure the whole thing and they'd go bankrupt.  It'd be a bit less effective as such a tactic with such an expensive plane.

[Curse]

Hm. There are really players that use the standard configurations? I might understand this with the first five or six aircraft in a new game, but those are normally sold by AI dealers.

[swiftus27]

Hm. There are really players that use the standard configurations? I might understand this with the first five or six aircraft in a new game, but those are normally sold by AI dealers.

so intentionally putting it as 30 hd seats is cool... SURE...  You should always have some setting that would be on the plane.   (which Sami said shouldnt be in this game any more after people were re-configuring other player's planes with 6 HD seats before returning the plane to them)

Many of you here defending the practice are often those SAME people who complain about other "unfair acts".   You honestly should be politicians. 

From now on, if I see certain people complaining about: Oversupplying lines, having 10x flights leave at 22:55pm going to the same destination, or anything similar, I will just remember to bookmark this one for you to read....

[Curse]

From now on, if I see certain people complaining about: Oversupplying lines, having 10x flights leave at 22:55pm going to the same destination, or anything similar, I will just remember to bookmark this one for you to read....

At first - I never complained about one of these things.

Second - I don't understand why you offense me.

Who the hell is flying a B777-200 in standard configuration? With those silly premium business seats? In a 10 first class to 25 business class ratio?

So in my opinion there is no difference if an used aircraft comes with 30HD Seats or with standard seating, both is s*** to use. And at the moment there is no difference if you reconfigurate an aircraft complete or only remove some business and add some first class seats.

Also nobody can lease an aircraft for nearly 10 Million and will go bankrupt because he must pay 1.5 Million Dollar for a reconfiguration...

[swiftus27]

I lease plenty in the games I play.

I have ordered many 737s just to lease to others.

My 736s are 108/5
My 73Gs are 120/5
My 738s are 150/10

All standard seating.   Yeah, it may not be the ideal setting for all situations.  However, I bet that most people would probably keep this setup if this is how it came.  There really is NO need to pay an extra million just to add or take out a few seats at all.  

That 777 douchy setup that I feel is solely there to catch someone off guard.... When you are worth billions that extra 0.01% really counts to the bottom line, really.  It does.  

I am just sick of people preaching the spirit of the game and when this stuff happens, very few will actually speak up.  

[JumboShrimp]

I dont think that's what's at question, JumboShrimp; but rather why someone would configure a brand new plane with only 30 seats.

At one point in time this was a decidedly under-handed tactic to screw over unknowledgeable players by not only hoping they'd pay you WAY more than a plane is worth but also have to spend millions more reconfiguring it.  It was often done with cheaper planes that newer players would buy, then find they had nowhere near the cash to reconfigure the whole thing and they'd go bankrupt.  It'd be a bit less effective as such a tactic with such an expensive plane.

That's a good point about buyers who may be new to the game to check these things.

But as far as I know, if you want to remove a couple of row of seats and change them with different type of seats, you always pay for the entire reconfiguration.  So it does not matter if the configuration you are buying has 30 HD economy seats or a default configuration.  Especially in a big plane like 777.  I bet most players would reconfigure to customize it for the route it would be used for.

[Curse]

...

With "standard seating" I meant the configuration, not the seating quality.

I also think it's not very nice to sell some aircraft with such a setting on the used market, but in my opinion there are much more negative things in the AWS world.

So I care about problems, but I don't see everything black or white. This here is grey - it's not very nice, but most people reconfigurate their aircraft and 1.5 Million are not much - and in fact nobody is forced to lease/buy this aircraft.

[Vpacific]

Obviously someone seems to be buying the aircraft - perhaps if they didnt they would soon get the message.

[swiftus27]

low and behold... another one...

SAMI, IS THIS GOING TO BE AN ACCEPTED PRACTICE?



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[swiftus27]

This is why I find this stuff to be just stupid, rude, and against the fair play standards of AWS

The 30HD costs a total of 168,950,230
The normal setup costs a total of 170,500,430

Wow, way to squeeze out a 1.55m profit when you are charging 27m over its value (and possibly up to 40m over what you paid for it)

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[Riger]

I also think it's not very nice to sell some aircraft with such a setting on the used market, but in my opinion there are much more negative things in the AWS world.

So I care about problems, but I don't see everything black or white. This here is grey - it's not very nice, but most people reconfigurate their aircraft and 1.5 Million are not much - and in fact nobody is forced to lease/buy this aircraft.

Curse, I respectfully disagree with you;

If the aircraft had a bad, but usable configuration, then that is ok, but to intentionally attempt to "trick" people into buying an aircraft that cannot be used ....  that is not in the spirit of the game.

Regarding the other "much more negative" things in the game, what are you referring to?

Best Regards

Richard