Overlap in the routing with too many seats

[bsonichev]

Hello, everyone!

May I wonder if players are allowed t OOO put in a route too many seats to give no any chance to make a route by other players?
For example I see the Awesome Airlines puts too many flights much more than demand with no any other companies.

[gazzz0x2z]

There are limits to that.

First limit, is that if you set up more than double the seats than there is demand, you're gonna lose all the slots
Second limit is that frequency has diminishing returns. I once scheduled 8 S2000s on 600 demand MPL-ORY. I was crushed by opposition, it was too many daily flights.

[Sami]

Per game rules you can supply up to 200% of the demand. And each other airline is allowed to do the same.

Demand 1000 -> you can supply up to 2000, and he or anyone else can at the same time also supply up to 2000 regardless of other airlines.

[pgri]

So in a hypothetical situation where my opponent and I had equal company image, route image, a/c type etc. - If I were to supply 1000/1000 and he were to supply 2000/1000, would I be likely to receive the same percentage of the demand vs my opponent (50%)?  Or would they receive more of the demand due to offering more available seats?

[groundbum2]

no, it's split strictly by frequency. On, say, Tuesday if you fly 10 flights and he flies 20 you'll get 1/3rd and he'll get 2/3rd of the pax and cargo.

price,ci,ri,plane attractiveness, dep/arrival time etc will push this about a bit, but not by much. Drop prices by 40% say and you're 33% share will go to perhaps 40%. So simple frequency split drives the game.

Simon

[eleytheria]

So if I get this right:

A route has 340 demand.

I put a 747-8 with 340 seats, I get 100%.

Then a competitor comes and adds 3 CRJ1000s.

I then get 25% of 340 = 88
They get 75% = 255

My 747 flies at 25% LF, while their CRJs all fly at near 100% LF.

Is this correct?

[Sami]

No. It depends on the case, but the passenger allocation calculation is NOT simply "total demand divided by frequency of flights".

But also yes, since on a short sector you will benefit of the added frequency of operations (but spamming too many routes will also have a negative effect).

Also, Load Factor is irrelevant in this discussion since it means nothing other than "how full my airplane is".

[eleytheria]

It depends on the case, but the passenger allocation calculation is NOT simply "total demand divided by frequency of flights".

With all other variables hypothetically being equal, would it be the case or is there something else that I'm ignoring?

I brought up load factor because while they have profitable planes flying I'd be likely flying a 747-8 at a loss

[Sami]

If we have a shorthaul route with 300 pax demand, all airline data and pricing being equal with the same CI/RI, and have two airlines on the route:

- Airline A supplies 6x 50 seats on the route (evenly spread) with no night routes or other "schedule time" penalties.
- Airline B supplies a single 300 seater flight.

And both having no disadvantages over aircraft or seat type, or nothing similar, and both flying every day of week, you could expect airline B to sell around 100 seats, and airline A selling 200. Roughly...

Since on a short route with good demand flying a single daily rotation with a large plane is "worse service" than providing a couple of different flights with smaller planes (or whatever plane for that matter actually). Though I'd say in this example the 6x daily is too much, but that's what I had on hand here. And also this fits the case of "use a proper plane on the proper route" when one starts to think of the operating economy involved.