Temporary slot acquisition quota (TSAQ)

[Cornishman]

Hi, is there any information on exactly how these work when they are enforced. I looked in the manual and can't see anything there. Questions like.... are they always managed the same / with the same limitations on slots allowed per GW day? How long does this TSAQ period last before it is lifted..... and if so, what can we be told about the parameters that apply when a TSAQ is imposed on an airport?
thanks
Jack

[Mr.HP]

It lasts for about 4 months, game time. It pops up at busy airports when the airports have expansion, or when an airline go out of business, to prevent 1 or a few airlines with many idle airplanes to hog all the slots in 1 go

As for how busy of an airport to get TSAQ, im also interested to know

[Cornishman]

It lasts for about 4 months, game time. It pops up at busy airports when the airports have expansion, or when an airline go out of business, to prevent 1 or a few airlines with many idle airplanes to hog all the slots in 1 go

As for how busy of an airport to get TSAQ, im also interested to know

Thanks for your answer Mr.HP - pretty much what you say is already known - I'd really like some firm and detailed information on exactly what happens - a list of the statistics about these TSAQ periods.

[Sami]

I'd say there's no need for the details. If the quota is active, you can see from the airport page the duration and details, and that's really all you need to know 

[knobbygb]

You can see the details (slots per day/week etc.) but not the duration, unless I'm mistaken.

[schro]

Searching for release notes can be helpful:

.* Changes to rules on slot transfers between airlines - it is forbidden in large numbers when coordinated between two or more airlines. Slot quota for slot restricted airports introduced in the case of large sudden number of available slots after a player action. When an airline bankrupts (by player action, not by bank's mandatory action), closes a base, or closes a large number of routes at a slot restricted airport (a large airport where there are less than 30% slots available overall) the airport enters a "slot quota" mode for all players. When in this status each airline is only allowed to get 35 new slots on every 5 game days, or 30% of the total available (but no more than 150) which ever of these is higher. After 14 days the restriction is lifted and all unused slots are available again. This automation is made to prevent mass-transfer of slots from one member to another in case of pre-planned bankruptcy for example.

You can also check out my initial grievances with the system here: https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,54766.0.html

[schro]

Other general comments:

In slot restricted airports, the quotas can be compounding. Sure they may be 14 days but if there's a slow trickle of slots getting dropped (even ones dropped/rebought for rescheduling count), it can make the lock out feel like it is perpetual.

When an airport expands, it seems like the restriction is there for a game month or two - I don't recall seeing a release note defining it like the other.

[Todorojoz]

My only complaint about the current quota system is that it counts slots recently purchased before the quota went into effect. This isn't a common occurrence I know. But I created slotless schedules for planes days before an expansion was going to take place. The day before expansion, I went through and bought up a bunch of slots that were still available. There was no quota at that time, so I should have been fine to get as many as I wanted without hitting a quota. Once the next day arrived with the expansion, a 50 slot quota went into effect. I bought 14 slots and then hit was advised that I had hit the quota. The only thing I can consider here is that it must have counted the 35 I bought before expansion the day before.

[Cornishman]

Thanks for your answer Sami but I'm not sure there really is a lot of clarity to be found which is definite... lots of assumptions - seems many of us are just guessing what's happening? 

For example - I can't find out anywhere - if two different airports in two different locations get a TSAQ on the same day by chance, do they both get the same length of TSAQ time?  / the same amount of slot releases per session ? / how long does each release session take before more are permitted for your airline ? /  is the slot release at the same rate for every airport or is it based on some other factor / etc.   If anyone has answers from anywhere please tell, or are we all guessing?

In two different GWs for me just this past few RL days (one is in 1955 at ORY and the other is at MXP in 1987), I'm getting TSAQ limitations and it's really frustrating not knowing what I can and cannot plan for.
Thanks
Jack

[Mort]

Thanks for your answer Sami but I'm not sure there really is a lot of clarity to be found which is definite... lots of assumptions - seems many of us are just guessing what's happening? 

For example - I can't find out anywhere - if two different airports in two different locations get a TSAQ on the same day by chance, do they both get the same length of TSAQ time?  / the same amount of slot releases per session ? / how long does each release session take before more are permitted for your airline ? /  is the slot release at the same rate for every airport or is it based on some other factor / etc.   If anyone has answers from anywhere please tell, or are we all guessing?

In two different GWs for me just this past few RL days (one is in 1955 at ORY and the other is at MXP in 1987), I'm getting TSAQ limitations and it's really frustrating not knowing what I can and cannot plan for.
Thanks
Jack

Two different airports can have two different slot quota amounts per period of time. For example 50 per 5 days or 80 per 5 days. Not sure how it is calculated (infra level and/or slot multiplier might come into it).

Not sure if when you say "slot release" you mean generally or just in the context of a TSAQ? Except for the first ~ year or so of a gameworld, slots are only ever added when the infrastructure level increases, and all new slots are added immediately.

[knobbygb]

My main gripe is that when you reach your quota, even if you release some slots you don't want, you can't buy others in their place.  This seems a bit unfair although I can see how even that could be abused.  What you REALLY have to be careful of is accidentally releasing slots you didn't mean to - you can't even buy the same ones back if you are at quota.

[Cornishman]

Hey - thanks Mort for that bit of info... OK one thing answered about which I was wondering.  I guess my point is this: since we have a manual, it would be really handy to have a chapter on what the formulas, or principals are around these TSAQs.

[schro]

Hey - thanks Mort for that bit of info... OK one thing answered about which I was wondering.  I guess my point is this: since we have a manual, it would be really handy to have a chapter on what the formulas, or principals are around these TSAQs.

Well, it was published in the release notes that I cited above...

[Cornishman]

Well, it was published in the release notes that I cited above...

Thanks schro - I read your grievance comments - interesting

And as we talk... I have a 3rd TSAQ imposed in the AG game at Rome FCO now.  Really strange  since to my knowledge, nobody is trying to buy up new slots there in any abundance - FCO is already chock-a-bloc with tonnes of competition and other than the 06 to 07 slots, there were still plenty up to yesterday before the airport upgraded. Now today that it upgraded... something decrees we must get a TSAQ on the airport....  I mean, it's not affecting me cos I don't need many new slots for anything at FCO... but I can't see anyone else clammering for them either... so we have to ask... why?