Game calculations transparency

[MikeS]

Guys, help me understand why:

I have built up a large fleet of Vanguards in H&F and use them for my air bridges: SYD-MEL and the like.
Unfortunately the result does not match expectations:
My competitors with less seats and frequencies get a larger market share. Now granted, I am flying props but on the short route the difference to a 737 is only 10 minutes.
I cannot see their pricing but still I feel the figures do not add up.
The year is 1980 and my Vanguards are on average 10 years old.

Example:
I'm flying 31 frequencies (3648 seats) mostly spaced apart as well as possible (30 mnts) and get a market share of 21.6% at company image 85 and roughly standard pricing.
Competitor X flying B737/B727 18 Frequencies (~2300 seats) = 23.49% market share COMPANY IMAGE : 10 ! and not in an alliance.
That means my competitor is getting around 81 passengers per flight while I get 43. For some reason passengers down right hate flying on my Vanguards!

Am I being penalized for "too much frequency" or am I getting a "prop penalty" or both or anything else I am missing?

Cheers!
Mike
aviamecanica

[schro]

Based on what you're describing, 30 minutes is probably too close together for the demand and you're flying too many frequencies. Optimal frequency is probably down in the 20-25 flights range at the most.

[JumboShrimp]

What is the demand?

[MikeS]

around 6000  (estimation varies between 4800 and 6200)

[PattyChen]

is it a new route for you?
A new route will have very low route image causing low load factor and will be normal 2- 3 months later.
you can see route image on route view page

[MikeS]

is it a new route for you?
A new route will have very low route image causing low load factor and will be normal 2- 3 months later.
you can see route image on route view page

The route image is 100, is that bad? 

[MuzhikRB]

1. Penalty for props - yes
2. Do you provide business seats ? Do you provide standard economy seats or high density ?

[groundbum2]

if you're getting 21% and he's getting 23% who's getting the other 56%? There's obviously more dynamics going on.

Also the figure is a 30 day rolling average, so if a higher percentage of your planes were in maintenance or otherwise not flying then your share would be lower. Also fares matter of course. And as somebody said, check F and C match demand as they count towards the load factors. Also time of departure and arrival.

Check all 31 flights and see if the pax/flight are consistent for all your flights. Maybe some have good numbers anf some bad.

Simon

[MikeS]

There are two more competitors which really just confirm the general observation.
I do provide business class as well.
I've been playing for a while now but seldom have seen such a disadvantage. Shro is probably right in that I am getting a penalty for too high a frequency although the manual says otherwise (10 o 40 minute intervals for high demand airports). It just bugs me that it defies logic and we're left guessing and experimenting what the game engine is programed to do. We put hours and hours into this and deserve a bit more transparency.

[JumboShrimp]

I've been playing for a while now but seldom have seen such a disadvantage. Shro is probably right in that I am getting a penalty for too high a frequency although the manual says otherwise (10 o 40 minute intervals for high demand airports). It just bugs me that it defies logic and we're left guessing and experimenting what the game engine is programed to do. We put hours and hours into this and deserve a bit more transparency.

With 6000 demand, 30 minute interval way more than enough.

I would try to reset all prices to default, just to make sure you did not make a mistake somehow with pricing.

[schro]

I read demand to be about what you are supplying, not 6000. 30 minutes is fine at 6000 by a good bit.

I've taken a look at the route and demand is actually closer to 5000, with 6000 on peak days. Across the airlines flying the route, there's about 110 daily flights. If all things were equal, then you could expect to sell about 45 seats on any given flight, and if you're running a quarter of all the flights, I would expect your market share to be in the 20-25% range just like it is.

Also, your problem statement is going by market share which is not a part of the cause, it's more a part of the results. The key metric to look at is seats sold as opposed to market share or load factor.

Are you selling about 45 seats per flight? If so, your numbers aren't being slapped with a trout.

[MikeS]

Thanks Shro for having a look,

I cleaned up my flights and slashed a couple of overlapping ones bringing the schedule down to 27 flights. All 30 minutes or more apart.
You say key metric is seats sold. At the end of the day that does translate to market share if you compare them to the total pie, and I rather eat the pie than the trout!

[schro]

Thanks Shro for having a look,

I cleaned up my flights and slashed a couple of overlapping ones bringing the schedule down to 27 flights. All 30 minutes or more apart.
You say key metric is seats sold. At the end of the day that does translate to market share if you compare them to the total pie, and I rather eat the pie than the trout!

So are you selling about 45 per flight?

[MikeS]

After the optimizations mentioned above my market share actually improved (of course, you can expect more pax when flying fewer flights).
Now pax per flight average ~ 54

Not sure if I can deduct anything here because of the fuel crunch everyone is optimizing,

Thanks anyways
Mike