Buenos Aires

[MikeS]

I'm playing in GW1 and was looking at Argentina. There is no domestic traffic to speak of (~ 30 pax to/from Buenos Aires (at both the international EZE and domestic AEP airports)). So was wondering if the situation is the same in other GWs?

Maybe something went wrong during last year August's update:
"Demand distribution for Buenos Aires airports (SABE / SAEZ) updated. [only for new games]"

Cheers!

Mike

[MikeS]

seems there is not much interest in this. I had a quick look in GW2 and Modern Times and both appear to have very little domestic demand to/ from both BUE airports. Maybe it has always been this way? Shouldn't be ...  but I guess not really worth a bug report.
Mike

[ArcherII]

Argentina is unplayable. I'm a national and have never ever based there because the demand is ridiculous compared to real life.

[Talentz]

Question I've always wondered when I see these threads about X countries...

When ya'll claim X counties is represented poorly, what are we basing this on? Like numbers wise, compared to other counties both larger and similar?

For instance, what was the total trans pax for the country of Argentina in 2018 vs other countries? Are we taking about A380s filling the skies or you just want to compete with the big boys in the wealthier counties?

World travel in general has greatly increased from the mid-to-late 2000s till today (2020). Since most of the base data for the Airport-based demand system is from circa 2010 statistics, its always been assumed that the numbers don't match "today's" performance.

Just wondering out loud I guess...


Talentz

[Amelie090904]

Clearly if there isn't demand for a single daily 737 or A320 from Buenos Aires, something is bad. I found these statistics which claim there've been 9 million passengers in 2010 (about 18 million now). Even if we take 9 million (2010) and divide that by 365 days we still get 24.600 daily passengers in the whole of Argentina. There aren't that many big airports in that country. The main airports are the 2 airports in Buenos Aires and secondary ones like Cordoba or Mendoza. So let's divide that 24.600 by maybe 5. Then we still have about 5000 daily passengers for each major airport per day.

Source: https://datos.bancomundial.org/indicador/IS.AIR.PSGR?locations=AR

[ArcherII]

https://datos.anac.gob.ar/estadisticas/

There's some passenger and flights statistics, provided by ANAC.

Nothing has really changed in terms of demand since 2010, maybe we can say that 2018 and 2019 had some boost in demand with the comings of FlyBondi and Norwegian Argentina. AEP moves around 1 million pax per month nowadays, compared to 740,000 in 2015. And 2015 wasn't very different to 2010 in terms of demand!

That's why I wonder where did AWS got the 2010 stats for Argentina, as they are plainly wrong.

Unfortunately, the documents are only in Spanish. I'm trying to find the English version, if there's one...

I can help with the Spanish version though.

[MikeS]

in the game if you take Cordoba for example (Argentina's second most significant city?), demand to almost all major airports in South America is more than double than that to the country's own capital Buenos Aires !

[juanchopancho]

sorry for necro post but Argentina domestic market is laughably inaccurate.

The domestic demand should look like how Colombia is setup now.

I havent played in 10 years and the demand in Argentina is not even close to real world. Colombia looks ok.

I remember Colombia was barely playable ten years ago, now it looks like the domestic demand is fixed.

[ArcherII]

Also, it is important to clarify that the statistics used in this game as a referece are from 2010 worldwide.

Thing is, there were no real statistics on air travel in Argentina. Any numbers that came prior to 2016 or so are purely speculative or an assesment of several data points, and interpolated into some traffic figures.

Right now, we are in a heavy recession here (like over the last 80 years or so lol), yet demand is still there. Commercial air traffic is heavily regulated, unlike in Europe/US and other regions. But that doesn't mean that air traffic is non existent.

I have brought statistics on passenger traffic in Argentina in another thread related to this issue.

[knobbygb]

City based demand.  I think that's what we're waiting for and nothing is going to be updated in the current system with that on the horizon.  It should become more accurate then I guess, if the population figures used are accurate.

But it's been on the horizon for a VERY LONG time.  I'm beginning to think it'll never happen and this game will just wither and die.  Sorry to be so negative.

[dmoose42]

I wonder how much it would cost to buy it from Sami