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Author Topic: Is Route Overscheduling Permitted in Beginners Games?  (Read 658 times)

Offline Tuckernut

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Is Route Overscheduling Permitted in Beginners Games?
« on: May 20, 2019, 04:17:46 PM »
I have been trying to open a new route but another carrier has a 100% monopoly on a very profitable and high volume trip.  In the regular games you get a warning that you are causing an oversupply and are asked to decrease your percentage to allow for competition(or it will be decreased for you!).  Does this apply in Beginners Game #1?

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Offline deovrat

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Re: Is Route Overscheduling Permitted in Beginners Games?
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2019, 04:26:00 PM »
Whats the % of his supply/demand?

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Re: Is Route Overscheduling Permitted in Beginners Games?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2019, 04:29:59 PM »
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Manual/General/Rules/#Competition

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The airlines may not oversupply the estimated passenger demand on a route in large numbers. Airline may not supply over 200% of the estimated passenger demand on any route. This rule is in force regardless of the passenger volume or competition on the route. The rule is the same even if the estimated demand is 10pax or for example 1000pax per day, and also valid even if there are no other competing airlines on the route (the large seat oversupply would potentially block other airlines wishing to enter the route).

The seat supply may not exceed the given 200% limit on any single day (each day's demand vs. supply is checked separately).

In practice this means that if estimated passenger demand on a route is 100pax per day (weekly average) the airline may not fly more than 200pax per day on that route segment. Any more seats supplied would be considered dumping the seats and thus trying to limit competition and entrance of other airlines to the route.

Rule is valid in all games.

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Re: Is Route Overscheduling Permitted in Beginners Games?
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2019, 04:51:07 PM »
One thing to underline... This rule is for any SINGLE airline (unless they are in the same alliance in which case the way I understand it is they are treated as one airline). So... If someone is supplying 100% demand and you are also supplying 100% demand... There is nothing to stop me from also supplying 100% demand. Nothing except economics that is

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Re: Is Route Overscheduling Permitted in Beginners Games?
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2019, 05:56:17 PM »
Demand is about 3,200 pax per day.  He is operating about a total of over ten B772 and 773 aircraft per day and one A310..  Give me a private way to communicate and I will explain in detail.  And thanks for the help.

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Re: Is Route Overscheduling Permitted in Beginners Games?
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2019, 06:02:33 PM »
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The seat supply may not exceed the given 200% limit on any single day (each day's demand vs. supply is checked separately).

If demand is 3200 per day and he's flying less than 6400 seats per day, he's within the rules. 10x777 plus 1x310 < 6400. It's not that much above 3200.

Offline Andre090904

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Re: Is Route Overscheduling Permitted in Beginners Games?
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2019, 06:04:49 PM »
Demand is about 3,200 pax per day.  He is operating about a total of over ten B772 and 773 aircraft per day and one A310..  Give me a private way to communicate and I will explain in detail.  And thanks for the help.

Sounds like a perfect victim. How about flying hourly with a 737 or 320 with some ~150 seats? You should easily get some 2000-2500 seats out of that with ~15-20 daily flights (depends on distance of course). Assuming there are 30 daily flights in total (yours included) then those 3200 pax will be devided by 30 which means 106 pax per flight. Your 737/A320 will work out while his 777 will be in big trouble.

EDIT: Assuming same prices, company image, route image, seat config etc...

Offline Tuckernut

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Re: Is Route Overscheduling Permitted in Beginners Games?
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2019, 06:06:04 PM »
Alas....it's a trans-Atlantic route.  I'd have to issue everyone on board oars.

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Re: Is Route Overscheduling Permitted in Beginners Games?
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2019, 06:13:12 PM »
It also works on transatlantic routes. In the previous "long haul challenge" I was based on the US east coast and there were people flying A380, 747 and 777 to all over Europe. They filled the demand very quickly of course. The only counter-measure in this case is to "win by frequency".

Your example: 3200 demand, ~10x 777 flights with ~350 seats = 3.500 supply

You may think the route is filled and you got no chance. But wait. You can (and will) win by frequency. Simply pick a longhaul aircraft with 200-250 seats (think A300, A310, 757, 767-200) and fly that route various times. Let's say 10 times. There will be 20 total flights (10 of yours and 10 of your competitor). Devide the 3200 demand by 20 flights and you will get 160 pax per flight. Your A310/757/767 is pretty much full (at least profitable) while his 777 will be less than half full (and not profitable). Repeat that with all his routes and he'll be gone sooner or later.

Again, this is only a rule of thumb. It still depends on fleet choice, seat config, pricing, scheduling...

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Re: Is Route Overscheduling Permitted in Beginners Games?
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2019, 07:09:51 PM »
I'd have to issue everyone on board oars.

I will take this into account when coding the onboard services module.  ;D

 

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