What is a good configuration for a 737-800

Started by DaRealWAZY, September 13, 2017, 01:01:28 PM

DaRealWAZY

So as the title says what is a good configuration for a 737-800, by default has Y:162 C:0 and F:0 but for covering some first class and some business class as well as economy class. I have some routes my 747 with not a lot of f class demand I think highest is around 20 per day at melbourne and some routes there isn't alot like less than 4 and the same with business as it varies a bit but my 747's are on a 7 plane 7 day schedule and would like to tap into the business and first class markets on routes where applicable.

I am assuming I should just use the same on all my 747's and just know with routes with little to no first and business class just suffer the loss but make gains on the first and bussiness class on the main routes.

So I was thinking having a configuration of F:4-6 C:10-20 and Y with the left over amounts. but what normally works for you guys is what I would like to know.

Regards
Wayne

gazzz0x2z

Well, it depends the level of micromanagement you're ready to do.

In current GW3, my 737-800 are 150-10-0 in CDG, 156-5-0 in ALC, ORY and WAW. Because it overall suits the local specifics. But I've got routes with 0 business demand, and 0% business LF. It's annoying, but I'm too lazy to manually optimize my 1000+ airframes.  ;D

if you have first demand on typical 737 routes(i.e. below 2000NM), then you might add some F seats. But be sure to analyze well your base airport. This kind of things is route dependant. In Reus, for example, most routes are 0% business(and first, a fortiori). So the full answer is : "know your place".

dagwood

I have found that adding some business class seats on routes over 2000NM seems OK. I usually go 156-5-0. (same as Gazzz)

DaRealWAZY

So I decided to use and will suck it up on flights with little to no F and C

My configuration is F:3, C:5 and Y:144 so I lose on routes without business and first class around 18 seats of economy but the first class and business routes should max out on those classes and make the extra money

DannyWilliams

Quote from: DaRealWAZY on September 13, 2017, 10:41:54 PM
So I decided to use and will suck it up on flights with little to no F and C

My configuration is F:3, C:5 and Y:144 so I lose on routes without business and first class around 18 seats of economy but the first class and business routes should max out on those classes and make the extra money
In my opinion C class is just a waste of space on shorthaul planes, i really don't see any point in putting C class on anything below a 767.

DaRealWAZY

On my routes from Sydney - Brisbane, Sydney - Gold Coast, Sydney - Melbourne, Sydney - Canberra, Sydney - Adelaide and Sydney to Perth all have higher than F: demand at an avg of 10, and all of them have a demand for C: more than 5, Some routes have plus 300 demand for C so you need to utilize that market which my competitors probably haven't touched yet especially if they are like you Danny :P

qunow

Quote from: Danny Williams on September 13, 2017, 10:52:50 PM
In my opinion C class is just a waste of space on shorthaul planes, i really don't see any point in putting C class on anything below a 767.
If you can fill those C class seats why not.
For instance, for a route that is priced about 100USD here, the C class seat price given is almost close to 300.
And then on my M404s, you can either put 40 HD Y seats into it, or 32 HD Y seats then either 4 HD C seats or 3 STD C seats. I think you can calculate which of the two config have higher revenue potential? Especially with pax handling fee and such in mind

DaRealWAZY

The HD with 4 Seats :)

May I ask is HD seating a good idea? like it says passenger comfort fair does that make a difference on passengers or not really? I just used standard seating config

ArcherII

I used 738s in Japan with 180Y and 10C174Y to great success.

dagwood


gazzz0x2z

Quote from: dagwood on September 13, 2017, 11:32:47 PM
how many people are using the HD seating?

plenty.

I don't anymore, it makes pricing tougher. But it's not a bad option in itself. You just have to be coherent between your seating and your pricing. I'm in everything normal, so I don't ask myself existential questions about what line is HD and what line is normal. Other strategies are good as well...as long as they are coherent.

qunow

Quote from: DaRealWAZY on September 13, 2017, 11:04:16 PM
The HD with 4 Seats :)

May I ask is HD seating a good idea? like it says passenger comfort fair does that make a difference on passengers or not really? I just used standard seating config
It depend on era/supply/demand. i think last time in 2000s in some gameworld by switching from HD to standard seating I gained about like 10-20% load factor on some route that are oversaturated, while see my other thread in general forum board where in a current early gameworld i tried to give customer standard seat on some route but the gain seems to be within error margin

freshmore

In GW2 it's not really and issue because so many aircraft are default HD seating but gradually as the decade goes on the Standard seating will become more important to have on all but the smallest routes. Those that have it will start to have an advantage over those that don't.

As for the original question gazz got it with "know your place." If you have the demand to do it then it's possible. Certainly if I was doing first on a B737 I would not have it on all of them, I would schedule it so that the routes with F demand are on specific schedules with specific aircraft, because when those aircraft are flying routes without First demand or even Business demand those seats are wasted and because you have less economy seats it's less efficient to run. On this one, a bit of micromanagement and planning is key to making it work, because if you mix those routes with First and Business demand with other routes with just Economy or Economy and Business, all the gains you make are lost by the lack of seats in other cabins on other routes.

Know your place and then put in the effort to do it properly and to the best way possible.