Pax Demands in Africa

[xiangchulee]

Hi sami,

In every gameworld the passenger figures in the african continent are quite low during the entire game world. It is basically impossible to run a highly profitable company here.

My issue is only that i know for a fact regional flights in africa are quite profitable in the real world eg, from lusaka airport the demand is higher than the average 30pax to say addis or jomo kenyatta. Emitares runs a scheduled daily flight to this airport although with a stop at harare but with the B777-300. Guaranteed 150pax from lun to dxb when i do the math. Africa should be a region were one can run medium aircrafts with full loads.

Kindly ask your team to run another survey on the traveling demands within africa. And this is excluding the power houses, that's Egypt joburg and algeria as per the gameworlds. However it should be noted that these three also are powerhouses because of the international pax demands, still very low demands to within africa.

With the current loads, another option would be to allow triangle flights at least then we can fill a 100 seater to like 70%.

Thanks.

[NovemberCharlie]

Though the game is currently working based on real world figures, which does not differentiate between transit and O&D passengers, the Emirates flight probably consists of mainly transit passengers travelling to Europe or Asia via DXB. Having said that a large update to the passenger demand system is in the works, called city based demand: https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,3260.msg398482.html#msg398482

This should improve the situation.
I believe once this is implemented transit passengers and ABCBA routing will be looked into.

Cheers

[qunow]

Though the game is currently working based on real world figures, which does not differentiate between transit and O&D passengers, the Emirates flight probably consists of mainly transit passengers travelling to Europe or Asia via DXB. Having said that a large update to the passenger demand system is in the works, called city based demand: https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,3260.msg398482.html#msg398482

This should improve the situation.
I believe once this is implemented transit passengers and ABCBA routing will be looked into.

Cheers

- The game stat does not differentiate between transit and O&D, however those passengers are still flying from the same airport and the stat shouldn't change too much
- I personally suspect the data are sampled before EK and its 380 operations really took off, and data in 2010s and beyond in game are interpolated from older data, in the sense that there were fewer traffic from those places outward in those time. This also reflected in that the demand for Shanghai/Beijing seems to be generally much weaker than the demand for Tokyo/Seoul even when playing an airline in 2010s/2020s, which probably correspond to some older data sample point because Chinese economy take off.

[NovemberCharlie]

Data is interpolated from 2005

[[SC] - King Kong]

The African continent is a special case and in my opinion doesn't need to be entirely based on the data that exists now.

It would be nice if the continent would become more attractive

[NovemberCharlie]

The African continent is a special case and in my opinion doesn't need to be entirely based on the data that exists now.

It would be nice if the continent would become more attractive

Yup. This was my suggestion for at least the time to CBD: https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,71116.0.html

[qunow]

Data is interpolated from 2005

https://asfaarbyairbus.com/asfaar/may-2016/africa-emerging-continent-growing-aviation-potentials/
Given traffic to/from/within Africa doubled in the ten years after 2005 I think interpolation might generate some data that would be a bit too far from real world data in recent years.

[NovemberCharlie]

https://asfaarbyairbus.com/asfaar/may-2016/africa-emerging-continent-growing-aviation-potentials/
Given traffic to/from/within Africa doubled in the ten years after 2005 I think interpolation might generate some data that would be a bit too far from real world data in recent years.

Agreed.

However tweaking this now would likely cause a lot of work, while an entirely new system is in the works.

[Springbal]

I was the smart kid opening a base in Ethiopia. one of these days I'll have to declare bancrupcy. Partialy my management (openinig to many bases etc). Since there isn't hardly enoug demand or possibility to make it feasable (like I proposed in the past e.g. a flight has +/- 80 pax a day --> 420pax/week so 3 flights a week to cover the pax demand) so there could be enough lines to keep the company alive.