AWS v.1.1 talk

[ekaneti]

My ideal would be for 15 year games

1950-1965
1975-1990
2005-2020

[Dasha]

Okay I'm very happy that we got a new version available.. been waiting for it for ages but now that I read what kind of games we get I'm a little disappointed. We all spend time and energy to make the game more realistic and a 1 continent world is not very realistic. Plus it rules out half the world. We already see slot problems on the big airports in the big games like this, and now you will get a lot more if 200 players go at Europe. Basically if you start at LHR you will win and if you join one or two days later, you won't have any slots left at those airports.

It would ruin a lot of aircrafts too and it will limit growth very much. So unless this game is smaller and shorter it could work well but with 250+ people for the same timespan, I don't think it's much fun especially at the end.

Ofcourse I'm ready to be proven wrong...

[swiftus27]

Sami, can you tell us times for the games?  Like what eras?

[swiftus27]

Okay I'm very happy that we got a new version available.. been waiting for it for ages but now that I read what kind of games we get I'm a little disappointed. We all spend time and energy to make the game more realistic and a 1 continent world is not very realistic. Plus it rules out half the world. We already see slot problems on the big airports in the big games like this, and now you will get a lot more if 200 players go at Europe. Basically if you start at LHR you will win and if you join one or two days later, you won't have any slots left at those airports.

It would ruin a lot of aircrafts too and it will limit growth very much. So unless this game is smaller and shorter it could work well but with 250+ people for the same timespan, I don't think it's much fun especially at the end.

Ofcourse I'm ready to be proven wrong...

I do disagree somewhat.
What I forsee is that everyone that doesnt start at Heathrow or a similar sized airport will actually fly there first and try to take up demand.  LHR is great for international travel.    I will find that everyone else will simply target LHR early to ensure that they don't get taken out by it first.

[Sigma]

Okay I'm very happy that we got a new version available.. been waiting for it for ages but now that I read what kind of games we get I'm a little disappointed. We all spend time and energy to make the game more realistic and a 1 continent world is not very realistic. Plus it rules out half the world. We already see slot problems on the big airports in the big games like this, and now you will get a lot more if 200 players go at Europe. Basically if you start at LHR you will win and if you join one or two days later, you won't have any slots left at those airports.

It would ruin a lot of aircrafts too and it will limit growth very much. So unless this game is smaller and shorter it could work well but with 250+ people for the same timespan, I don't think it's much fun especially at the end.

Ofcourse I'm ready to be proven wrong...

I think it's a great idea personally.

The whole airport size thing isn't that big of a difference.  The only difference is that the scope has changed.  There's no reason to think that the microcosm of Europe is any different than the world as a whole.  There's huge airports, big airports, small airports, and tiny airports.  Whether or not LHR dominates the game matters not if you're talking about a Europe game or a worldwide game, if they can dominate one they can dominate the other (and they do), so it won't change anything.  There's always people at big airports and little airports and everything in between.  The difference is that, instead of finding themselves spread over thousands of miles, they'll simply be within hundreds of miles.

As for slots -- you're right, they will go fast.  BUT they will be a lot more varied.  It will be significantly harder for a single airline to control LHR when there's 200 players vying to get into it than when there's only, say 20 on continential Europe trying to get into it.  Every single player in the game is going to be trying to get into those big airports.  It won't be like JA#1 where, years into the game, I was still finding myself as the sold provider of service to some fairly large airports in the US.  Or where a single airline controls such a vast majority of the slots into an airport that they CANNOT be taken down.  If they own the slots you can't fly against them.  They are completely impenetrable and invincible.  Look at the top airlines in every game, they established themselves by quickly gobbling every single slot in their home airport that they could right from the start.  It's the secret to winning.  When you're buy yourself, one of 200 players playing over 2000 airports, you can take your time.  When 200 players are all trying to get into a half-dozen major airports, you are NOT going to find yourself alone in your homebase with you controlling 85% of the traffic, no open slots, and able to do whatever you please because no one can fly alongside you.  You're gonna have to FIGHT to get those guys off routes into your homebase.  Forcing players together facilitates competition.

As for planes -- yes, it will make a change, but probably not as much as you think.  Europe's still a big place, there's still going to be room for long-range aircraft.  There will definitely be a need for wide-bodies because the slot competition is going to force density.  But the best thing is that, unlike all other games, smaller planes will prove much more viable.  When there's a substantially smaller number of routes to choose from, and a much denser number of airlines, suddenly flying that route to pick up those 40pax might actually make sense.  Smaller planes, the one the game is full of that no one EVER buys, will suddenly have an actual use.  The downside is that the game's economic model still doesn't lend itself well to smaller regional airlines, however the positive is that most everyone will be on the same footing as you, so that won't particularly matter much.  I think the aircraft will be far more varied with only the longest-range of aircraft being wholly unnecessary.

[masoniclight]

And don't forget, the one continent game is MEANT to be a true challenge... the proverbial gauntlet thrown down to all us. I like it!! Of course you could look at me and say, "Well, all you do is go bankrupt so what do you care?" Well I don't bankrupt on purpose, I have tried various things to not do so and will continue to try ideas until I get this game correct. I intend to do as well as I can.. I can't wait for the new games.. see you all in game.

[masoniclight]

OH, and what if the one continent game starts in the 1940's? Now THAT would be even MORE interesting and even more a challenge (but at least we wouldn't have to worry about airbus, mds and boeings that have 200+ seating capacities.. people would have to think and plan! Imagine that!)

[oggie84]

I know the next set of games are due this Friday evening (European time) but do we know of a definate time that they will start at?

[ICEcoldair881]

My ideal would be for 15 year games

1950-1965
1975-1990
2005-2020

My ideal would be for 25 year games.

1950-1975
1975-2000
2000-2025

[Strider]

I'd have to say 20 year games would be ideal for me.

1950-1970
1970-1990
1990-2010

[Strider]

acctually the last one maybe from 1995 to 2015

[Dorito_25]

I know the next set of games are due this Friday evening (European time) but do we know of a definate time that they will start at?

Yeah I want to know that too. It may be midnight in Australia or any other Ocieana/Asian countries such as New Zealand, Japan, Singapore. Although the first game day is usually 24 hours for fairer game play...but I still want to get there first! 

[highways1]

Just a quick v1.1 question. Are passangers going to still heavily prefer small jets (B737/A320) over jumbos or big twinjets like the B777?

[Flightman]

2008-2028 Sounds great

[toyotaboy95]

Just a quick v1.1 question. Are passangers going to still heavily prefer small jets (B737/A320) over jumbos or big twinjets like the B777?

aww...i HATE narrowbody a/c but i LOVE widebody, it looks better aesthetically to me

2008-2028 Sounds great

i kinda like the fuel crisis where all the poorly run airlines BK

[Flightman]

Yup, why modern era games should be allways :EASY I Would like Hard game, but modern era!

[Sigma]

Yup, why modern era games should be allways :EASY I Would like Hard game, but modern era!

Sami doesn't make the games Easy or Hard, the stats do.  There are simply easier eras in the industry than others.

[Flightman]

Sami can make it more harder to add players more ~400 1 game instead of 2. And future game 2008 --> High fuel prices...

[Dorito_25]

That's true...but then he will get a lot of complaints that the amount of players is too annoying. Too be honest...I prefer it the way it is.
Good job Sami!

But I do see what you're saying, but I can't exactly make a point because I haven't been in a modern era game ...yet.

[slannoy]

Sami can make it more harder to add players more ~400 1 game instead of 2. And future game 2008 --> High fuel prices...

I don't know in which game you played by ATB already had Hight fuel prices in 2008. The prices felt in December due to the crisis.