FEES AND CHARGES

[darrenashford]

Quick question...

you select the route you want to fly...   
you then choose the days, times and confirm the turnaround...
you click confirm
and you are debited the landing fees etc

now you move to add it to an aircrafts schedule
and silly you, it overlaps with a maintenance or another flight, or something similar on one of the days

so you edit the flight
change the routing, or the number of days, or something
click confirm
and BANG, your debited all the fees again!

why is that?
why are we debited twice for something that hasnt actually flown?
or am i missing something?

[Sami]

You are paying for the landing rights (airport slots) when opening the route.

When editing the route, you must pay the fee either partially or fully again depending on how much the time changes from the original.

https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Manual/Routes/Slots/

[darrenashford]

ah ok. thanks xx

[darrenashford]

Thanks for the info, but one question arising from it...

I just tested the explanation.

(1)
I scheduled a flight, for 7 days, and confirmed it.
Paid fees accordingly.

(2)
I then changed the flight, to 6 days, everything else stayed the same. I made tuesday a non fly day.
No additional fees were charged.
All fine.

(3)
I then changed the flight again, this time swapping the no fly day from tuesday to a wednesday
Additional fees were charged!

BUT! Didnt I already pay these additional fees at (1)?
Isnt it calculating the fee difference between (2) and (3) and ignoring (1)

[Sami]

When you edit the route (step 2) and remove a flight day, you at the same time release the slots back to the general pool. Hence at step 3 you are getting them again. And it cannot remember what you did on the route some days or hours (or minutes) ago.

(edit function always releases the slots, as otherwise there would be heaps of unused slots laying around and being unavailable to those who may need them)

[darrenashford]

so you do get double charged 

[alexgv1]

so you do get double charged 

You can close the route and keep the slots but not edit 

[moberg]

so you do get double charged 

Nope. If you throw something away (a tuesday slot), then change you mind and buy a shiny new identical one, you have to pay for the new one, since you've already thrown your old one away.

[darrenashford]

But listen!!

I originally schedule for 7 days. Paid 7 days slot fees.
Take out Monday, so change it to 6 days, no additional fees. As already paid for all 7.
Change the no fly day from (mon) to (tues), and get whacked with fees again.
Dont get refunded for dropping a day, and get charged 2x for moving the day.

I am only talking about when first scheduling, before the flight has actually flown.
I accidently got the wrong day, working around maintenance, so edited the route immediately, and saw the extra fees.

Humphh.

[Sami]

Take out Monday, so change it to 6 days, no additional fees. As already paid for all 7.

At this point you are giving up the one slot, so you have 6 slots left in "ownership".

(see my previous reply.)

[darrenashford]

Still not clear, really sorry for this.

Making up the figures.

(1)  Flight A>B. Flown MTWTFSS departs 12:05 every day.
  Confirm. Fees debited.

Go to schedules, realise a mistake, has to be 6 days as there is maintenance planned on one of the days.

(2) Manage Routes, Edit Route
Flight A>B. MTWF-S, still departing 12:05 every day
Confirm. No additional fees.

Schedule, realise oh no! Should be a Friday not a Saturday that is dropped

(3) Manage Routes, Edit.
Flight A>B. MTWF-SS, still departing 12:05 every day
Confirm. Bang! Fees charged again.

My point is that this route hasnt been flown or scheduled yet.

The change at (3) is exactly the same as the change at (2), yet (3) is charged fees.  If the route had been flown then I can see the logic for charging the slot fees, but in the above example I dont see the logic. I already paid all 7 days at (1), dropped at day at (2) didnt get charged, swapped the dropped day at (3) and get penalised. (2) and (3) are doing the same thing - as its a change before the route is flown at the point of creation - yet one is charged one isnt.

Clear as mud?

[JumboShrimp]

That's how it works.  

1. When you edit a route that had 7x week flights to 6x week, the system does not save the 7th one for you.  It is released to public (fee is not returned to you).  So now you have 6x week slots.

2. Going from 6x to 7x, you are buying a slot, so the charge is justified.

3. Going from 6x to 6x on different dates is a combination of 1 + 2

The workaround is to delete the old route, save the slots, than create the new route.  Any extra slots (between the old and new) will be kept for you to reuse for 2 months.

Joe

[Sami]

My point is that this route hasnt been flown or scheduled yet.

Being flown or being scheduled, or not, is irrelevant in regards of the slots when opening / editing routes. Once more, please read what I wrote.

When you edit the route (step 2) and remove a flight day, you at the same time release the slots back to the general pool. Hence at step 3 you are getting them again. And it cannot remember what you did on the route some days or hours (or minutes) ago.

(edit function always releases the slots, as otherwise there would be heaps of unused slots laying around and being unavailable to those who may need them)

[darrenashford]

still dont see the logic!

...if u guys says its fine and normal then who I am to say otherwise !

happy flighting