C check?!

[Teemu]

Hi all!

I was wondering since there is two jets on my fleet (leased) that has C check coming in 4 months should I go ahead with those or ret rid of them and get new or old plane to replace them??

[CX717]

you have to pay a large money to terminate the lease contract.
so...do the C check 

[Teemu]

you have to pay a large money to terminate the lease contract.
so...do the C check 

Yeah, well that's going to eat me to almost broke ... and I can't figure out why pre-tax profit is in the down side ... :/
I'm glad that I can have 4 go's on this ...

[lucasite]

I have a C check due in 2 months actually, but for 747s, they take 20 days?
So what do people normally do? just suffer the loss of route income?
Or have a spare a/c sitting around doing nothing 90% of the year, only ever earning as a replacement service for C checks?

[Teemu]

ps. sami if you aren't too busy take a look if my carrier and give your two cents

[Shamwari]

I'm also worried about my C check.... what happens to those routes for the 14 days that my plane is in the shop?  Do they count as routes canceled? Or is it not possible for my 'clientele' to book flights on those days that my a/c is being serviced?

[CX717]

@BETA,I always have few spare plane when my fleet get bigger,and rotating the schedule manually to replace the under maintaince plane.
very time consuming.But,what else you can do after your airlines are fully developed? 

[lucasite]

I suppose. Unless you time it right to be always purchasing a plane just before a C check on an old one. Do the route swap, then when finished, send the bird out on a new route.

[JWKIII]

The C-Check thingy is rather simple. Right now I am expanding my fleet, and use one aircraft for a C-Check, when this one is ready, it takes over the flight plan of the next that has to go through C Check and so on. And when all are done, you can schedule the last checked aircraft for regular flights. 10 months later you better get a new plane so that you can start again

[Jps]

I just had 2 planes on C check, and I didn't replace the routes. Unfortunately, those 2 routes were the ones giving me most profit, so I should have replaced them, but I didn't have any spare aircraft... During that C check, all my routes suffered from lower LFs for some reason, and now they are up again (from around 45% to 55%, before checks they were 55%...).
Normally, routes (and also those that were served with aircraft in C check now) shouldn't have reduced LF or cancellations, as checks do not cause cancellations (works for B check, too). So just like in real life, if a plane goes into check and the route isn't flown because of that, passengers will be informed beforehand and ticets won't be sold, so it's like the route never existed (except, that the route image stays the same).

[Sami]

ps. sami if you aren't too busy take a look if my carrier and give your two cents

since I'm waiting for my computer to be free and cannot do anything else right now... 

* load factors are reasonable, 50-60%. Focus on C class to get more money in.

* efhk is a hugely crowded base, too many airlines there. this spells problems for later, unless you can reach and take out the dominant market share to get the edge over competition.

* due to above fact perhaps try to find some more unusual routes than standard London, Frankfurt etc.. So don't leave all the eggs on this basket as competition is heavy. But don't stay out of those routes either..

* Saabs are making a nice profit, for so small planes.. Perhaps expand that fleet to 10-13 planes for regionals.

* for medium hauls, the dc-9 are getting old, consider a replacement such as MD80 or B737(oldgen). airbus is too expensive for you so far. ..but nothing in used market, so a tricky situation.

* when able BUY the planes..

* perhaps use manual staffing as then you are able to fire some personnell .this takes a hit to image though .. and you gotta remember ALWAYS to hire then new staff when you open routes or get planes .. up to you.

..anyway I don't see anything alarming. You are getting the small steady income. but investments ahve to be planned.

[Powi]

Hints:

Renew your aircrafts lease contract when it's in C-check. That way you can get rid of it after a year just before the c-check is needed.

Consider leasing new planes instead of renewing leases. If you have leased new aircraft for 3 years, you may get new aircraft leased cheaper (if you lease many at the same time) than renewing leases of old ones. Plus you don't have to do C-cheks.

ps. Never do D-checks.

[Shamwari]

hahaha ... 

3 days before a C check i ditched my leased plane

saved money this way because the C check was more than $1.5million !! (the plane was 22 or 23 years old) in the meantime i got a replacement a/c with a c check 11 months away 



should have never have leased such an old plane in the first place though 

[Teemu]

since I'm waiting for my computer to be free and cannot do anything else right now... 

* load factors are reasonable, 50-60%. Focus on C class to get more money in.

* efhk is a hugely crowded base, too many airlines there. this spells problems for later, unless you can reach and take out the dominant market share to get the edge over competition.

* due to above fact perhaps try to find some more unusual routes than standard London, Frankfurt etc.. So don't leave all the eggs on this basket as competition is heavy. But don't stay out of those routes either..

* Saabs are making a nice profit, for so small planes.. Perhaps expand that fleet to 10-13 planes for regionals.

* for medium hauls, the dc-9 are getting old, consider a replacement such as MD80 or B737(oldgen). airbus is too expensive for you so far. ..but nothing in used market, so a tricky situation.

* when able BUY the planes..

* perhaps use manual staffing as then you are able to fire some personnell .this takes a hit to image though .. and you gotta remember ALWAYS to hire then new staff when you open routes or get planes .. up to you.

..anyway I don't see anything alarming. You are getting the small steady income. but investments ahve to be planned.

Good I just got some S340's and one MD81