Is it me, or is it ridiculous?

[Pilot Oatmeal]

The calling scheme for the used market.  Lets all get real, this is a simulation, not a game.  Are you telling me, that Willy Walsh/Richard Branson/All the airline CEO's have to call an Aircraft Leaser, but if he has no credit he can't make the call, surely hey would just put credit on the phone?  I mean lets not forget these guys are rolling in it, I really think the game should be put back to its original used market with suspensions for rule breaks... or other ideas should be put forward for it...

Jordan

[Sami]

It most definitely will not be changed back.

As with the aircraft market, each feature is a balance between "what is real" and what is best for playability. And the calls feature has been made to reduce the time needed to sit and reload the market listings (and I do know that some users did spend a huge deal of time just refreshing that page which was not healthy..)

[JumboShrimp]

The calling scheme for the used market.  Lets all get real, this is a simulation, not a game.  Are you telling me, that Willy Walsh/Richard Branson/All the airline CEO's have to call an Aircraft Leaser, but if he has no credit he can't make the call, surely hey would just put credit on the phone?  I mean lets not forget these guys are rolling in it, I really think the game should be put back to its original used market with suspensions for rule breaks... or other ideas should be put forward for it...

Jordan

I disagree.  The mechanism is just fine.  You will not see anyone complaining about it in MT5, for example.   The used market is flooded with aircraft, and each call will bring up 100s of the most desirable aircraft.

So perhaps the problem you are really seeing is that when you "call", you get nothing.  So that's not really problem of the mechanism, it is just an issue relating to the used aircraft market being nearly empty...

[LemonButt]

It is ridiculous, however it's the best we've got.  The used market calls don't fix the problem, but it limits it greatly--which is people babysitting the used market and snatching up planes.  My only complaint about the used market is that you can use 14 calls in 2 days if you are calling on Sunday/Monday.  I think every call should have a timer--if you use 7 calls on Sunday, you don't get those 7 calls back until next Sunday.  If you make 1 call each day of the week, you get 1 call back each day of next week.  Instead of 7 calls per week, you get 7 calls every 7 days.

Calling the market is all about helping the little airlines out and people who don't have 23 hours each day to babysit the used market.  The only other "fair" alternative is an auction system, which will hurt the little guys as the big airlines roll over them.

As sami mentioned, it's a balance.  Since this is a simulation, there should be slots not only for aircraft taking off, but also landing.  Having to buy slots to takeoff AND land would make the game almost unplayable as the crowded airports would be impossible to land at.

[Pilot Oatmeal]

Yeah again with the slots for landing, I think this game has a while to go before being called a simulation.  It is ridiculous, I'm not ranting I'm just putting forth one of my opinions about this game.  The only real way to fix this issue, is to have small aircraft working, that way the little guys will be happy to use them and then the big guys won't have as hard of a time finding planes...

Jordan

[bdnascar3]

my two cents.......

We dont need slots for landing but do need slots for GATE space. To but a limit of say 20% of the availbe gates space to one aircarft would mean the big airlines would have to spread out their time allowing other takeoff slots to be avail. Plus reduce 1 airline blocking up a city.

I do think making small (less then 50) aircraft profitable would help and is greatly needed.

The thing between a game and a simulation and Real world is a touchy subject. I do think TWO differnt worlds need to be set up. One for the gamers who want to crush the compettion and one for those of us who to see if we can run a Airline better the Carl Icahn.

[Kadachiman]

The 'place a call' to the market has been a great added feature as it puts more balance into the game.
The chances of scoring a good plane is a lot better for all players now - is it a coincidence that a few of the previous big game players have left?
People that spend more time at the computer will always have more 'luck' in the used market, no matter what modifications you put in-place this will always remain constant ...more time = more success (in general)

The big problem is that 80-90% of CEO's try to play the same strategy.
Look at some of the airlines that have gone to the top of planes flying and planes ordered and see what strategy they have...ypu will find that many have taken a 'different than normal' strategy path.

[DenisG]

The 'place a call' to the market has been a great added feature as it puts more balance into the game.
The chances of scoring a good plane is a lot better for all players now - is it a coincidence that a few of the previous big game players have left?
People that spend more time at the computer will always have more 'luck' in the used market, no matter what modifications you put in-place this will always remain constant ...more time = more success (in general)

The big problem is that 80-90% of CEO's try to play the same strategy.
Look at some of the airlines that have gone to the top of planes flying and planes ordered and see what strategy they have...ypu will find that many have taken a 'different than normal' strategy path.

Interesting subject. How would you characterize this 'main' strategy?

Cheers,
Denis

[wapp11]

The calling scheme for the used market.  Lets all get real, this is a simulation, not a game.  Are you telling me, that Willy Walsh/Richard Branson/All the airline CEO's have to call an Aircraft Leaser, but if he has no credit he can't make the call, surely hey would just put credit on the phone?  I mean lets not forget these guys are rolling in it, I really think the game should be put back to its original used market with suspensions for rule breaks... or other ideas should be put forward for it...

Jordan

Yeah they will have to call a leasing company to lease an aircraft, and the "credits" simulate that you can't just call them 24/7, maybe once a day is a more realistic timeframe of how a businessman will be contacting a leasing company.

[Pilot Oatmeal]

Yeah they will have to call a leasing company to lease an aircraft, and the "credits" simulate that you can't just call them 24/7, maybe once a day is a more realistic timeframe of how a businessman will be contacting a leasing company.

Please allow yourself to take a step back and look at what you just said.  A business man, whose main goal for the airline is gain aircraft to fly passengers, will not call them once a day.  They will call them as often as possible, probably 10+ a day and they'd be calling different leasers. 

[Dave4468]

Please allow yourself to take a step back and look at what you just said.  A business man, whose main goal for the airline is gain aircraft to fly passengers, will not call them once a day.  They will call them as often as possible, probably 10+ a day and they'd be calling different leasers. 

And on top of that they would probably then ask "Do you have an A320 for sale" and the answer would not be "Well I do but I've not randomly decided to allow it to be sold at the moment, how about a Beechcraft B99?", it would be "Yes, its x amount of dollars".

[Sami]

And on top of that they would probably then ask "Do you have an A320 for sale" and the answer would not be "Well I do but I've not randomly decided to allow it to be sold at the moment, how about a Beechcraft B99?", it would be "Yes, its x amount of dollars".

And as mentioned before due to game balance the planes "available" at the storage will not be released by any circumstances all at the same point. That would not make any sense when looking at the big picture.

[LemonButt]

Please allow yourself to take a step back and look at what you just said.  A business man, whose main goal for the airline is gain aircraft to fly passengers, will not call them once a day.  They will call them as often as possible, probably 10+ a day and they'd be calling different leasers. 

If you called a leasing company 10x/day, this would imply that airlines go off lease and/or are acquired every few hours.  In reality, the airline leasing business moves in months and years, not minutes and hours.

[alexgv1]

Although it should be worth remembering that minutes and hours to us do represent weeks and months.

[wapp11]

Please allow yourself to take a step back and look at what you just said.  A business man, whose main goal for the airline is gain aircraft to fly passengers, will not call them once a day.  They will call them as often as possible, probably 10+ a day and they'd be calling different leasers. 


And on top of that they would probably then ask "Do you have an A320 for sale" and the answer would not be "Well I do but I've not randomly decided to allow it to be sold at the moment, how about a Beechcraft B99?", it would be "Yes, its x amount of dollars".

Many times I lease a tractor or combine for the farm.  If I called the machinery dealers 10x a day they would quit answering my call! Also the "this aircraft is reserved for 3 minutes" simulates someone calling in, finding what they want, and saying hey I like the way that AC sounds, hold it for me, I'm going to come look at it, and if it is what you say it is I will purchase it. And if the AC is "in storage or for sale" and not listed, there are many reasons why this would happen as I have listed in other threads. 
Sure every system will have problems, but I believe this one is pretty decent.

[Pilot Oatmeal]

Yea but your talking about small amounts of money, in the airline industry a leaser would want that plane gone asap, trust me.  I fail to see any reason why a leaser would keep a plane in storage, if its in flying condition, away from customers, its bad business, and stupid business. 

[alexgv1]

Who says that the aircraft in storage are in perfect flying condition? Most of them are D checked before they go up on the market.

[wapp11]

Who says that the aircraft in storage are in perfect flying condition? Most of them are D checked before they go up on the market.

Yeah maintenance, paperwork (as in transfers, foreclosures, bankruptcies) and maybe some owners of the AC just don't want to sell at this time may all be reasons an AC will stay in storage with out being sold or able to be sold.

[Monk Xion]

I havent played in about a year.... because I left because of the amount of complaints about big airlines, 757s flying LH, and blah blah blah 

The feature seems a little weird to me... I doubt people IRL use this type of system to get used aircraft. 

Idk tho only other option I can think of is a limit on used aircraft purchases a day...