New Used market Feature

[swiftus27]

I don't find this off putting except only to those players who had a definitive advantage by being able to babysit their computer and constantly refresh the used market. 

As said above, this has yet to be tested and will be tweaked if found to be inadequate. 

Something had to be done to balance the sim a bit.

[Dave4468]

I don't find this off putting except only to those players who had a definitive advantage by being able to babysit their computer and constantly refresh the used market. 

Agreed, it is better than the F5'ing. I'm just saying it may leave some people picking to call at the wrong time and going weeks without getting anything because they kept calling at the wrong time.

[Sami]

Agreed, it is better than the F5'ing. I'm just saying it may leave some people picking to call at the wrong time and going weeks without getting anything because they kept calling at the wrong time.

Well that's just the risk of it. In other words sometimes you get new planes, sometimes you don't. Same as the old system basically I think (where you had to access/reload the page). And of course it would make no sense to add an indication that 'X new planes available' as that would take away the whole idea of phone calls.

[Dasha]

So despite all the doubts and moans..

Thank you Sami for keeping AWS up to date and interesting.

[swiftus27]

Agreed, it is better than the F5'ing. I'm just saying it may leave some people picking to call at the wrong time and going weeks without getting anything because they kept calling at the wrong time.

If all you're concerned with is the random chance that 7/7 of one's calls will find nothing new and 3/7 of another airline's will, I will take it.
The law of big numbers will eventually apply to all here.

[Dave4468]

If all you're concerned with is the random chance that 7/7 of one's calls will find nothing new and 3/7 of another airline's will, I will take it.
The law of big numbers will eventually apply to all here.

No, what I'm worried about is people getting nothing out of the 7 calls for weeks on end. Thats my issue.

[swiftus27]

No, what I'm worried about is people getting nothing out of the 7 calls for weeks on end. Thats my issue.

It will happen.  It is like losing to the dealer in Blackjack 7 straight times.  It just happens that way some times. 

People were pressing F5 every minute or so using a third party program.  How many phone calls is that?  And I bet 1/200 were actually successful.

[minerva]

People do realize that the 7 phone call feature means that you can still refresh the market 7 times in about a four hour (real time) period on regular games -- that is more than many, perhaps most, players (who weren't glued to their computer 18 hours a day) could do in the old system. So can we just give this new feature a chance to be tested (from the actual beginning of a gameworld) before deciding its the end of the universe as we know it? 

[swiftus27]

People do realize that the 7 phone call feature means that you can still refresh the market 7 times in about a four hour (real time) period on regular games -- that is more than many, perhaps most, players (who weren't glued to their computer 18 hours a day) could do in the old system. So can we just give this new feature a chance to be tested (from the actual beginning of a gameworld) before deciding its the end of the universe as we know it? 

a total complete +1 here

[Dave4468]

It will happen.  It is like losing to the dealer in Blackjack 7 straight times.  It just happens that way some times. 

People were pressing F5 every minute or so using a third party program.  How many phone calls is that?  And I bet 1/200 were actually successful.

I suppose your right. Well as I and other have said lets see how it works when JA5 starts tomorrow.

[Sanabas]

People do realize that the 7 phone call feature means that you can still refresh the market 7 times in about a four hour (real time) period on regular games -- that is more than many, perhaps most, players (who weren't glued to their computer 18 hours a day) could do in the old system. So can we just give this new feature a chance to be tested (from the actual beginning of a gameworld) before deciding its the end of the universe as we know it? 

Yep. I like it, and the 3 plane per week limit.

I'm just concerned/curious about how it will work on the 24 hour day 1. Still 7 calls per 4 hours realtime, covering ~7-10 actual refreshes of the used market? Or only 7 calls for the first 28 hours realtime, covering 50+ refreshes of the used market?

I assume book value still exists for the purposes of things like loan security & c.v., so not being able to see it in the used market seems very strange, as well as unhelpful.

[Bolier Dweller]

so for those of us that are not in a game right now could you please post pictures and explain a little more on how this works.
Because im reading it and im not picturing it very well.

[JumboShrimp]

A reduction to 3 per week is now suddenly the matter of life or death? Seriously, give me a break.

We will see how it works out in the following games and I know that it may be hard to mentally accept a new strategy instead of f5'ing all day long, but after all that was what "triggered" the need for changes.

I think he intentions were good, but sometimes things done with good intentions may have bad unintended consequences.

One of the great things about AWS (compared to other online games) is that one can log in once per day, and still be able to build a top airline.  Under the old rules, this player was able to get 6 aircraft within 1 hour.  Under the new rule, the same player would have to be online for 3 1/2 hours go get the same.

So while on one hand, the new feature does a great job limiting people hitting F5 all day, on the other hand, the extra change of 3 a/c limit a great advantage back to people who can be on Internet all day over once / day players.

[ukatlantic]

I knew I should have put a $100,000.00 bet on at the bookies on who would complain about this new 7 call feature on the used market when it had been announced by SAMI......I'd of been very wealthy now!   

[swiftus27]

so for those of us that are not in a game right now could you please post pictures and explain a little more on how this works.
Because im reading it and im not picturing it very well.

The used market no longer refreshes own everyone's screen as planes are released to it.

In order for anyone to see what is on the market, one needs to refresh the list of available planes by 'calling the used market'

[psw231]

I knew I should have put a $100,000.00 bet on at the bookies on who would complain about this new 7 call feature on the used market when it had been announced by SAMI......I'd of been very wealthy now!   

I think you would now only have $100,010.00 as the odds on that one were not very healthy.

[Gleipner]

Yay filters are back!

Nice job Sami, think this was a good change in the long run.

[Zombie Slayer]

Yay filters are back!

Nice job Sami, think this was a good change in the long run.

Agree 100%. The only valid complaint I can see is the lack of a usable book value for the aircraft before the new analyst feature Sami has discussed is released. I very much like the direction this is headed and I think it will lead to more realism when the whole project is complete, but releasing it in parts and therefore not being able to have a rough idea of the value of a frame before you purchase/lease it until the project is complete is unacceptable, IMHO. The plain and simple truth is that this will be abused by just about anyone who has the ability to buy and resell planes to make a quick buck, most likely at the expense of a newer player that does not fully understand the depreciation rates of aircraft. So, you see an a321-200 that is 6 years old on the market for $91 million. Looks good, right? Never mind that a new build is $90 million and that 6 year old frame is now actually "worth" $72 million...

Just my 2 cents on the subject. again, in the end I feel this will be a major game enhancer and push operators to a more realistic fleet growth plan, but it really should either be released in its full final form or have a placeholder for the analyst until that function is released.

Don

[Sami]

I'm just concerned/curious about how it will work on the 24 hour day 1

Not a problem, since the market is always full of good planes at the first day.

When you arrive there you use 1 call, and get immediately two planes, which is also your maximum for the day. Then you can just sit back and call the market again on game day 2 to get the third plane for the first week. And you have still 5 calls left which you can misuse if you are impatient...

so for those of us that are not in a game right now could you please post pictures and explain a little more on how this works.
Because im reading it and im not picturing it very well.

Not complicated at all, you figure it out when you see it. And I'm also typing a manual page for it just now.



Also, if you guys really really need it, I can (temporarily) add the calculated value visible for the purchase page. But as mentioned it will be removed later, so be mentally prepared.

[Zombie Slayer]

Also, if you guys really really need it, I can (temporarily) add the calculated value visible for the purchase page. But as mentioned it will be removed later, so be mentally prepared.

That would be perfect. With the exception of the normal few complainers, the only real negative anyone has expressed is the current lack of a calculated aircraft value for comparison purposes. While the planned upgrade you have mentioned (the analyst) looks to be a better option, the value previously displayed is far better than nothing while we wait for the new feature to be added!

Don