New Used market Feature

[Jona L.]

Heya!!

Important: Where is the Value of the a/c listed?! I just see the asking price, I need to know the value as well!!

Secondary: What happens if an aircraft I see on the used market is already sold/leased but I still see it? Does it cost me a call to learn that?!

[Sami]

#1: https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,34458.msg182044.html#new

#2: It's not shown. If the plane is on the list you had "called" but already sold, it's not displayed to you at all. A 'call' is only deducted when you actually press that 'call' button (or if last call was over 14 game days ago) ... remember that you can view/sort/browse/etc the list as much as you like and it's not counted as a call/reload until you actually press the button yourself (not even if you press F5...).

[JumboShrimp]

Heya!!

Important: Where is the Value of the a/c listed?! I just see the asking price, I need to know the value as well!!

Completely agree.  See my reply on the announcement thread:

https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,34456.msg182045.html#msg182045

[Zombie Slayer]

I agree as well. Eliminating the value of the plane makes it way too easy to gouge the buyer. IT seems to me that a good purchasing department would be able to get me an estimated value on an investment as large as a commercial aircraft. I am also pretty sure an airline would not purchase an aircraft without knowing, or at least having a good idea of, the actual value of the aircraft.

[Sanabas]

In future a/c "value" will have two meanings; the bookkeeping value at the airline's accounting dept (=linear yearly deductions based on how much it originally costed), and the market value when sold (= dynamic, based on how much users are willing to pay for it). Currently used "value" is only an arbitrary calculated figure resembling the a/c initial price vs. age, and is not realistic so it will change over time.

(To help players spot a good/bad deal on the market a certain advisor style feature is also thought.)

I agree with the others who have mentioned it, the bookkeeping value should be shown on the plane's info page, along with the selling price. That provides roughly the same info as the yet to be implemented advisor feature, and I'd say it's pretty important to have that available.

2 other things: first is a minor pedant, the picture you put in the 1.3 thread shows 'costs on delivery' = 6,708,254. That amount isn't paid on delivery, it's paid on ordering. So it should say 'costs on placing order', or something similar. Otherwise it implies I can order the plane now, but only pay the 6.7 million for the c-check when it is delivered.

And a question, how will the 7 call limit work on week 1/day 1 of the game? The used market will still refresh 10+ times on day 1, because of the huge demand, yes? Do we get 7 calls per ~4 hours realtime, as we will the rest of the game? Or do we only get 7 calls for all of the 24 hour day 1, and the remainder of week 1, which will likely mean some players will simply miss out on getting their preferred plane type for at least the first game week.


*Sorry, put this in the announcement thread, rather than the general forum. So c&p-ing to here.*

[alfkan]

I'm missing the old filters in the Used Marked box. Filters that told me in a glance the technical and capasity answers I was looking for! 

[Jona L.]

I'm missing the old filters in the Used Marked box. Filters that told me in a glance the technical and capasity answers I was looking for! 

He said they were disabled "temporarily" because he is thinking of some new stuff....

[Jona L.]

Completely agree.  See my reply on the announcement thread:

https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,34456.msg182045.html#msg182045

Sami linked that as well....
This is -frankly speaking- crap! Same as this stuff with the reduced number of deliveries!
Sami, you make this game a n00b game and let the good/long-term players dry out!! STOP THAT!!!

Jona L.

[Sami]

A reduction to 3 per week is now suddenly the matter of life or death? Seriously, give me a break.

We will see how it works out in the following games and I know that it may be hard to mentally accept a new strategy instead of f5'ing all day long, but after all that was what "triggered" the need for changes.

[Jona L.]

A reduction to 3 per week is now suddenly the matter of life or death? Seriously, give me a break.

We will see how it works out in the following games and I know that it may be hard to mentally accept a new strategy instead of f5'ing all day long, but after all that was what "triggered" the need for changes.

I never said that I was against the 7-calls, that was not my point! Anti-F5-ing is always good!!

My point is a reduction of possible deliveries by 50%... this is just again a n00b protection system which cuts off players with large airlines (and thus with a need for many a/c)

[Kadachiman]

Personally I think this is a good change and Sami has tried to deliver what most players were asking for in many other posts.

As a newbie with no aircraft knowledge... I will however miss the filter and search facility as I do not know what aircraft can carry 100-200 pax with a range of 4000Nm...looks like I will be making a lot of aircraft clicks to find the suitable planes now.

[Dasha]

I agree with sami... let's see how it works out. Jona... if you have 400 planes and got 300 on order would it seriously made a difference if you get them a bit slower than you get now?

To be honest... those massive airline players are the ones who ruin the fun for me with their insanely aggresive expansions. So I think it's a good thing to protect the 'n00b' players.

Secondly, I do consider myself as an experienced player and the fact that I do NOT like a 500 plane airline does not make me a n00b player. I need my planes just as badly as a small regional airline than you with your massive airline. Just because you got 'disadvantaged' doesn't make the entire new feature useless.

I do agree that the value system should be watched carefully as I can see big airlines owning planes take advantage of it by selling the planes a lot more expensive than they are. And I too want the filters back in the Used a/c page

[vitongwangki]

I agree with sami... let's see how it works out. Jona... if you have 400 planes and got 300 on order would it seriously made a difference if you get them a bit slower than you get now?

To be honest... those massive airline players are the ones who ruin the fun for me with their insanely aggresive expansions. So I think it's a good thing to protect the 'n00b' players.

Secondly, I do consider myself as an experienced player and the fact that I do NOT like a 500 plane airline does not make me a n00b player. I need my planes just as badly as a small regional airline than you with your massive airline. Just because you got 'disadvantaged' doesn't make the entire new feature useless.

I do agree that the value system should be watched carefully as I can see big airlines owning planes take advantage of it by selling the planes a lot more expensive than they are. And I too want the filters back in the Used a/c page

I think if Sami said the true value is for book-keeping, then implies me that there should be someone able to calculate it out (at least in RL). Why an airline won't hire someone to calculate for them before they buy the plane? I believe in RL there must be someone give advice to companies the approx. value of the planes. And I think in RL every company will take the "true" value into the account when buying an aircraft.

[Wizard]

I Only get a 'Database Error' Message....

[Dasha]

I think if Sami said the true value is for book-keeping, then implies me that there should be someone able to calculate it out (at least in RL). Why an airline won't hire someone to calculate for them before they buy the plane? I believe in RL there must be someone give advice to companies the approx. value of the planes. And I think in RL every company will take the "true" value into the account when buying an aircraft.

If we get advisors on planes the value of planes wouldn't be as important as it is now, I agree.

[vitongwangki]

If we get advisors on planes the value of planes wouldn't be as important as it is now, I agree.

And I think the market value for small airlines because when they need to own the plane, the decision is very important to them.

[alexgv1]

I Only get a 'Database Error' Message....

Tried clearing your cache?

[Sami]

I Only get a 'Database Error' Message....

Fixed.

[Dasha]

And I think the market value for small airlines because when they need to own the plane, the decision is very important to them.

That's what I mean. Either the value of the plane or some sort of advisor as they have in Airline Tycoon.


But..

let's see how things work out first.

[Dave4468]

I'm not sold on this yet. I worry that you could pick to make your 7 calls and each time you do there is nothing there so there is no chance to get anything at any other time. And the flipside some people could make 7 calls and hit every time.

The big test will be the start of JA5.