Routes with multiple legs

[bluemax]

Is it possible to create routes with multiple legs as apposed to direct flights? Second question, where is the livery visible once it is created and uploaded?

[schro]

Is it possible to create routes with multiple legs as apposed to direct flights? Second question, where is the livery visible once it is created and uploaded?

1. No. This was removed in 1.2 in exchange for the "base" feature.
2. Your airline's info page.

[FAA-man]

will it be brought back? within the new version of play....

[RibeiroR]

maybe... in future versions...(i hope so)... it will be more realistic

[Unbornio]

With the current slots issue, I don't think adding multiple legs with bases is a good idea...

[swiftus27]

Magic Carpet is the sole reason these are gone. 

We don't see him around much any more.

He'd have a billion dollar airline in under a year by doing the following:

1.  Base out of a major int'l hub
2.  Convert every airplane to F/C only.
3.  Fly them on multi leg flights (LHR-JFK-CDG-JFK-LHR)
4.  Lease/Buy EVERY and I mean EVERY long haul aircraft
4.  Be a multi billion dollar company in under a year.

[flyboy842]

Magic Carpet is the sole reason these are gone. 

We don't see him around much any more.

He'd have a billion dollar airline in under a year by doing the following:

1.  Base out of a major int'l hub
2.  Convert every airplane to F/C only.
3.  Fly them on multi leg flights (LHR-JFK-CDG-JFK-LHR)
4.  Lease/Buy EVERY and I mean EVERY long haul aircraft
4.  Be a multi billion dollar company in under a year.

Is that not a good thing?

[swiftus27]

It made the game unplayable. 

[oggie84]

Magic Carpet is the sole reason these are gone. 

We don't see him around much any more.

He'd have a billion dollar airline in under a year by doing the following:

1.  Base out of a major int'l hub
2.  Convert every airplane to F/C only.
3.  Fly them on multi leg flights (LHR-JFK-CDG-JFK-LHR)
4.  Lease/Buy EVERY and I mean EVERY long haul aircraft
4.  Be a multi billion dollar company in under a year.

6. The old production queues were first come first served.....Magic Carpet practically blocked them out making it even harder to get hold of aircraft.

[swiftus27]

6. The old production queues were first come first served.....Magic Carpet practically blocked them out making it even harder to get hold of aircraft.

I forgot about that...

Magic Carpet has ordered 50 747-400s..... and it was like the first game year.

[Monk Xion]

I forgot about that...

Magic Carpet has ordered 50 747-400s..... and it was like the first game year.

I remember that. It was forever ago tho....

[LemonButt]

ABCBA routing is more realistic, but there needs to be some sort of limits placed on it in the game to make it usable.  In a previous Modern Times, I had the largest airline in the game (and I started late) by basing in Atlanta and running every single route ATL-B-ORD-B-ATL.  I had the #1 marketshare at the 2 largest airports in the world at a time when airlines could only have 1 base.  Furthermore, considering the costs associated with opening new bases, it would be much more profitable to run ABCBA routes in this same manner to avoid the huge costs associated with additional bases.  I think we're going to have to wait for business plans to go into effect with focus cities in order to open ABCBA routes again.

[JumboShrimp]

ABCBA routing is more realistic, but there needs to be some sort of limits placed on it in the game to make it usable.  In a previous Modern Times, I had the largest airline in the game (and I started late) by basing in Atlanta and running every single route ATL-B-ORD-B-ATL.  I had the #1 marketshare at the 2 largest airports in the world at a time when airlines could only have 1 base.  Furthermore, considering the costs associated with opening new bases, it would be much more profitable to run ABCBA routes in this same manner to avoid the huge costs associated with additional bases.  I think we're going to have to wait for business plans to go into effect with focus cities in order to open ABCBA routes again.

Well, you pretty much explained the reason why ABCBA is not such a good idea.  You are potentially doubling the size of demand of every airport.  And the airlines that are the most capable of taking advantage of this opportunity are airlines HQd in those largest airports, because they are most likely going to be the strongest...

The extra basis have tremendous overhead associated with them (especially in high wage countries), and the aircraft limit makes it very hard to make up this overhead (and tuen profit from the base).  While you would think that extra basis level the playing field (as far as offering ability for expansion for those who started at smaller airports), they really don't.  Since the bases are not really financially attractive, the incentive is still there to start at a very large airport, and not open extra bases.  That's the path to highest profitability....

Starting at mid sized airport and moving up to a busier airport (when the airline is financially strong) isn't really an attractive strategy either.  The 70 (or 100) aircraft limit right away limits you in what you can achieve at the new base....

[FAA-man]

How about abcba only via base/nonbase/base and return.. this way, you can connect one airport via one aircraft to both bases with a thru flight.....this would allow airlines to not need as many aircraft in order to connect out cities to several base airports... thus, would lower production demands since you are now allowing an airline with two or more bases to fly via an out station and service two base airports with one aircraft versus two aircraft...
Just an idea for the powers that be to take a look and consider the options of this... it, in my opinion makes since, with the above issue at hand.. would reduce the amount of aircraft an airline needs to sevice one station for multiple bases...
Tony R.

[Zabuti]

Hello

Sorry, there's still one thing I don't get here...

If I want to plan a route from A to B and from A to C, but I do not have enough demand to break even on A-B-A or A-C-A, I can still create a route A-B-C-A, right ? (at least, the game allows that).

But then, does Pax gets in/out ? If my understanding is correct, I'd say no, your stop at B is only for refuelling... so what is the point of doing A-B-C-A ?

I'm thinking about doing some trigular routes on LH flights, but if this does not work with pax in/out, there is little interest in doing so...

Thanks for the answer

Flobacca

[Sanabas]

Your understanding is correct, all you're doing is flying a route from A to C. The only reason to stop at B on the way is because you can't make it in one hop.

[Zabuti]

Your understanding is correct, all you're doing is flying a route from A to C. The only reason to stop at B on the way is because you can't make it in one hop.

OK, but then what's the point of doing A-B-C-A, since you need a tech stop on the return trip as well then...

I doubt sami implemented a feature doing A-B-C-A with no reason...

(sry for stupid question )

[Sanabas]

Mostly there's no point. I've come across one airport where it would be useful though. SABE/AEP has decent LH demand, but only a 2100 nm runway. If you want to fly a big plane, it can't take off with a full fuel load. But if you fly 120 nm to SUMU/MVD, you have a proper runway, and can fill up and take off. Coming home, the plane's fuel tanks are empty, so you can land without the tech stop. So you'd want to set it up for A-B-C-A. I actually discovered that one while based in JFK. I wanted to fly A-C-B-A, with the tech stop on the return flight, but that one's not available.

I'm pretty sure the ABCA option is just a carryover from when those routes were allowed, and hasn't been coded out because those routes will possibly be allowed again at some point, and if you accidentally leave out the tech stop on the return leg when setting up the route, you won't be able to set it up anyway. So leaving it in causes no problems.

[L1011fan]

Simply put, ABCBA needs to brought back period.

[JumboShrimp]

Simply put, ABCBA needs to brought back period.

How about addressing some of the arguments against?
- 2000 airline HQd in ATL
- obsolescence of extra bases (as a result)
- lack of passenger connectivity (no AC supply met) resulting in no RL equivalent
- ompletely crazy routes  (Example: ORD-JFK-LAX-JFK-ORD)