1.3 Open Testing scenario feedback & discussion thread

[Monk Xion]

I've also noticed that the MDs have nearly 600 kg/h better fuel consumption than in the current DOTM2. 

Idk... the 83 has the same fuel consumptiona as it was in the BW.

Does everybody like that you can only lease a new a/c for 5 years at the min? Im not sure if I like that yet

[Bolier Dweller]

I ran the test server on my iphone today and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.

[Curse]

Does everybody like that you can only lease a new a/c for 5 years at the min? Im not sure if I like that yet

I don't like that, too. 3 or maybe 4 year were ok but 5 year lease.... it makes more sense to purchase the aircraft and lease it out later now if one has the money.

[Monk Xion]

I don't like that, too. 3 or maybe 4 year were ok but 5 year lease.... it makes more sense to purchase the aircraft and lease it out later now if one has the money.

I agree b/c I usually like to swap the a/c after 3 yrs or re lease them.

[dansken]

About the lists:

The new pretty flag-enabled dropdown causes this. It is either way, the looks or functionality. Would prefer both but not sure if that is possible.

I think most people would prefer functionality. Would it change anything if you put the flags after the text (to the right of the countries)?


/Daniel

[stough1971]

Like the colors on the route map of airport page. More functional would be adding a third color for routes flown by both you and a competitor(s).

[Tujue]

Like the colors on the route map of airport page. More functional would be adding a third color for routes flown by both you and a competitor(s).

+1

[dhtdkcug]

The new launched B777 is with 6 440 kg / hr average fuel burn!!!!
It's like the B737 in DOTM2!!

[Zombie Slayer]

Regarding the flight interval requirements...

Not sure if it is working as intended, so here is what I have found on my PEK-SHA route.

I am running 17 daily flights for a total of 2328 daily pax on demand of 3630 pax/day. On no day does my supplied seats exceed demand, yet my LF's on my 1200 hour flights (1200, 1225, 1235, 1235) run between 35% and 50% while the remaining flights are around 75-85%. My CI is 29 and RI is 56.

Should LF's be taking that kind of a hit when demand is not met and there is no competition?

Don

[Curse]

@ jetwestinc

The same situation was described and discusse by Sigma and me one page before this in this thread   It's working as intended as far as I know.

[Sigma]

In my experience, on a route with almost identical demand, you MUST leave 30 minutes between flights, else your LFs go into the toilet.  It's not 15-20 like sami recommended I try, it's not even 25.  It's got to be 30 minutes.  Absolutely no less than that.  It's not like a linear gradient thing, where you get hurt more with 2 flights within 5 minutes than you do with 2 flights within 25 minutes; they'll all fly half-empty.  Put 2 flights within 30 minutes and all will be fine.

[slither360]

In my experience, on a route with almost identical demand, you MUST leave 30 minutes between flights, else your LFs go into the toilet.  It's not 15-20 like sami recommended I try, it's not even 25.  It's got to be 30 minutes.  Absolutely no less than that.  It's not like a linear gradient thing, put 2 flights within 25 minutes, and they'll be half-full.  Put 2 flights within 30 minutes and all will be fine.

It should be 45 minutes, not 30.

Just my 2 cents.

[Curse]

You both guys know this depends on how much pax there are on a route average? So I'm sure Tokyo Haneda to Sapporo or Fukuoka will work with 10 minutes while other routes need the full 60 minutes.

[Sigma]

You both guys know this depends on how much pax there are on a route average? So I'm sure Tokyo Haneda to Sapporo or Fukuoka will work with 10 minutes while other routes need the full 60 minutes.

Yes, that's why I said that my experience was on a route with about the same demand as jetwestinc was using. 

But, really, we don't know that for sure.  That's what the intention was, but I don't have any 10000/day routes to test it on.  Suppose I could just BK and go to Haneda.  I'll have to try it to a smaller destination at DFW first and see what happens.

[Zombie Slayer]

@ jetwestinc

The same situation was described and discusse by Sigma and me one page before this in this thread   It's working as intended as far as I know.

Yes, I read through that, but the way Sami explained it (IIRC) was that any flights inside the minimum window would count as one frequency, but still offer all the seats. I read that to mean that the 4 flights that I have inside that window should be the statistical equivalent of 1 500 seat plane, but it seems to be calculated more line 1 150 seat plane with the passengers being split up between all 4 flights.

Don

[LuckyLibra]

FUEL CONTRACTS

I've read through all of this thread and haven't seen discussion of the fuel contacts so much yet... please direct me if I've missed it.

I'm surprised at how the fuel contract is set up, if I understand it correctly. Basically... it just offers a percentage discount from the daily price for a fixed monthly fee. So if your airline uses enough fuel so that a percentage discount is greater than the monthly fee, you gain. For small airlines, this will not make sense. (a new airline spends $200k / week on fuel; 5% reduction = savings of $10k / month, so a contract fee of under $40k / month leads to net gain, contracts seem to be 100-250k / month, so no good). For larger airlines, it will certainly make sense (e.g. spends $10M / week on fuel; 5% reduction = savings of $500k/week = $2M / month, so contract with monthly fees under this are big savings. There will be some guess work about when an airline crosses that line to make the fuel contracts worth it... but I don't see a big strategic difference in this.

What I thought the fuel contracts would be: an opportunity to lock in a fixed price for fuel for a certain period of time. So fuel prices right now are $169 / ton. I can choose to "lock in" this price for the next 1 year, and I pay this price no matter what market prices do. Market prices go up, I win by locking in the lower price. Market prices go down, I lose because I'm paying the higher price.

Am I getting this right, and is anyone else surprised by it?

[LuckyLibra]

LIVE UPDATES

I like that the game clock is live in the window. Would it be possible to also have the money update live? I ask because I often have multiple windows open, and when I buy a plane in one window, then go back to another window, my money is not updated... of course being confusing.

NOt sure if this is feasible or not... but would be nice. Thanks.

[DenisG]

FUEL CONTRACTS

I've read through all of this thread and haven't seen discussion of the fuel contacts so much yet... please direct me if I've missed it.

I'm surprised at how the fuel contract is set up, if I understand it correctly. Basically... it just offers a percentage discount from the daily price for a fixed monthly fee. So if your airline uses enough fuel so that a percentage discount is greater than the monthly fee, you gain. For small airlines, this will not make sense. (a new airline spends $200k / week on fuel; 5% reduction = savings of $10k / month, so a contract fee of under $40k / month leads to net gain, contracts seem to be 100-250k / month, so no good). For larger airlines, it will certainly make sense (e.g. spends $10M / week on fuel; 5% reduction = savings of $500k/week = $2M / month, so contract with monthly fees under this are big savings. There will be some guess work about when an airline crosses that line to make the fuel contracts worth it... but I don't see a big strategic difference in this.

What I thought the fuel contracts would be: an opportunity to lock in a fixed price for fuel for a certain period of time. So fuel prices right now are $169 / ton. I can choose to "lock in" this price for the next 1 year, and I pay this price no matter what market prices do. Market prices go up, I win by locking in the lower price. Market prices go down, I lose because I'm paying the higher price.

Am I getting this right, and is anyone else surprised by it?

I agree, as in my earlier post here on fuel. This feature may only lead to the fact that as we grow, we will all move to the biggest discount. Would be better, if there were the possibility to 'guess' or 'secure' oil prices for a price, which may be a huge threat to your airline, once the contract expires.
Cheer,
Denis

[LuckyLibra]

CHARTS

I like the new charts for the routes, showing ticket income, fuel, and other costs.

I would like to also have such a chart for my aircraft, with the financial info (tickets, line maintenance, insurance, fuel, route costs) that is on the aircraft info page.

[psw231]

  I believe that Toronto city centre is a restricted airport. If anyone has the data to forward to sami that would be great.