We REALLY Need 1.3

Started by iFlysimX, May 11, 2011, 05:21:47 PM

iFlysimX

A LOT of people offer him help and yet he doesn't want any.......and I'm sorry but its the truth that it DOES get boring.

Pilot Oatmeal

Quote from: alexgv1 on May 11, 2011, 08:35:26 PM


Also there is such a piece of legislation in the UK (and maybe the EU) called the Freedom of Information Act, which allows public to see the published financial records of a company each year. Is there such a thing in Finland? Or is it applicable to us seeing as there is an international client base? It would be interesting to see where the Credits are going, either into the business investing in improvements, funding other projects, wages, corruption, etc.

hm that would be very interesting to find out... I wonder where I could find that out and if sami could produce it. 

ukatlantic

Quote from: alexgv1 on May 11, 2011, 08:35:26 PM


Also there is such a piece of legislation in the UK (and maybe the EU) called the Freedom of Information Act, which allows public to see the published financial records of a company each year.

FOI relates only to UK PLC which wanted to show transparency in government and does not encompass private/plc businesses, I couldnt go to say Virgin Atlantic and ask for their financial records to see how they are doing, it would be business suicide for them to give such comercially sensitive information away. :o

alexgv1

Quote from: ukatlantic on May 11, 2011, 08:45:45 PM
FOI relates only to UK PLC which wanted to show transparency in government and does not encompass private/plc businesses, I couldnt go to say Virgin Atlantic and ask for their financial records to see how they are doing, it would be business suicide for them to give such comercially sensitive information away. :o

Thanks for the info, it's a pity though.
CEO of South Where Airlines (SWA|WH)

Sami

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Quote from: Clement on May 11, 2011, 08:36:04 PM
A LOT of people offer him help and yet he doesn't want any.......and I'm sorry but its the truth that it DOES get boring.

I am getting offended on this type of messaging; since (sorry), you are just assuming things. I mean if some teenager PMs me that "I am is very good at computers and I want to help in coding" (literally such words really, with no references or such), what could I seriously do with that.

Coding of the software is one thing that will not leave my end, apart from possible various small "module" style projects. But for data collection and similar things; I guess you do not know that 90% of the airport data is not collected by me, and various aircraft data too (but I am still myself actually going thru the Jane's books which I got some time ago to add up new models to the database; the info digging is kinda fun too). For future features, the city demand thingy will require a lot of user help since the whole world needs to be checked (world locations vs. map), and there will be a separate public tool for that. Same for additional airport informations.

Moreover; I have had a couple of people helping out in some data tasks but in 3 of 4 cases the guy has not completed the task (and not talking about any "nuclear science" type of things still again..). So this is why I am reluctant in writing the necessary instructions on how to do it just to find out that was a waste of time.

But all I can think of is that if you are bored, then take a break. Simple. No matter how great a game would be nobody can be entertained forever (this applies to ANY game, hobby, etc..).


Quote from: swiftus27 on May 11, 2011, 07:37:02 PM
I have suggested countless items in Features and most go either don't get responded to, minused without understanding, or other reasons.  Some are so stupidly simple, I was sure they'd be implemented immediately but haven't.

Usually the "stupidly simple" things end up taking most time (= lots of various small things with no real improvements). And even if those various nifty little things are made people cry about these "unnecessary logo makers" etc. It's so fair... :P  Or in other words; currently I would really like to focus on the big things instead of various small tweaks; after v.1.3 is done  especially.

And for feature requests, I am not even planning to respond to each of them, since in most cases there really is nothing to discuss or reply. So a reply would be just meaningless forum fillup from me. If it is left open it is under consideration for future, or if declined/duplicate/etc if closed (Info). I've gone through the forum today for example a lot (which I do when scouting for development items) and usually do searches with keywords related to my day's item and even 2-yo topics are included in this and are used for references and ideas.



(btw. is someone really that surprised that I visit the forums every day? ..multiple times a day actually. And do read all the messages in all public AWS forums every day too. I have not counted but my average AWS time use per day is usually between 1-6hrs / day)

swiftus27

Alex, there's one thing if the company is a PUBLIC company.  There is another if it is owned by one person.  For instance an S Corp in the USA rolls right into an individual's tax return.  You have no right to look at the financial statements.

alexgv1

Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
But all I can think of is that if you are bored, then take a break. Simple.

On that point, that is also true, I have had a few breaks over varying times in my AWS career when I don't get entertainment anymore or feel the passionate fire to play going out in my heart. When I return the game is usually more enjoyable (absence makes the heart grow fonder maybe). I remember the last time I was on a deliberate break the game ticked over from v1.11 to v1.2 and there plenty more features to play with. I've said I wouldn't play another game world until v1.3 but there are still things I want to do in the game so I was wrong when I said so.
CEO of South Where Airlines (SWA|WH)

ukatlantic

Quote from: alexgv1 on May 11, 2011, 08:52:48 PM
On that point, that is also true, I have had a few breaks over varying times in my AWS career when I don't get entertainment anymore or feel the passionate fire to play going out in my heart. When I return the game is usually more enjoyable (absence makes the heart grow fonder maybe). I remember the last time I was on a deliberate break the game ticked over from v1.11 to v1.2 and there plenty more features to play with. I've said I wouldn't play another game world until v1.3 but there are still things I want to do in the game so I was wrong when I said so.

Same here, if I get really bored I stop playing for a while until a game/new version comes along and takes my fancy, but I alwys come back to AWS,  Anyway I for one say keep up the good work SAMI and thanks for giving us an enjoyable game to play!

slither360

Quote from: ukatlantic on May 11, 2011, 08:58:59 PMSAMI
unrelated, but is there a reason why some players capitalize Sami?

alexgv1

CEO of South Where Airlines (SWA|WH)

ukatlantic

Quote from: BobTheCactus on May 11, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
unrelated, but is there a reason why some players capitalize Sami?

Nope just something I've alwys done or maybe because he's the grande fromage of AWS and deserves his name in caps!   :laugh:

LemonButt

Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
I am getting offended on this type of messaging; since (sorry), you are just assuming things. I mean if some teenager PMs me that "he is very good at computers and wants to help in coding" (literally such words really), what could I seriously do with that. Coding of the software is one thing that will not leave my end, apart from possible various small "module" style projects.

And for data collection and similar things; I guess you do not know that 90% of the airport data is not collected by me, and various aircraft data too (but I am still myself actually going thru the Jane's books which I got some time ago to add up new models to the database; the info digging is kinda fun too). For future features, the city demand thingy will require a lot of user help since the whole world needs to be checked (world locations vs. map), and there will be a separate public tool for that.

Moreover; I have had a couple of people helping out in some data tasks but in 3 of 4 cases the guy has not completed the task (and not talking about any "nuclear science" type of things still again..). So this is why I am reluctant in writing the necessary instructions on how to do it just to find out that was a waste of time.

But all I can think of is that if you are bored, then take a break. Simple. No matter how great a game would be nobody can be entertained forever.


(btw. is someone really that surprised that I visit the forums every day? ..multiple times a day actually. And do read all the messages in all public AWS forums every day too...)

All of this is dead on.  I know 10+ computer languages myself and have written many programs/scripts and collaborating with others when it comes to the code is a HUGE pain in the butt and waste of time.  Even the small "modules" or subroutines where you have a simple input/output usually turns into a trainwreck.  Just because you know how to code doesn't mean you understand all of the current code (I imagine it's annotated, but not to the extent needed for someone to just jump right in) and even then you have to be savvy enough to build in error checking and understand the system inside and out to be able to come up with the error scenarios.

Whether sami is making $5/year or $500,000/year off AWS, it doesn't really matter.  If you aren't happy with the product...don't buy it.  Here you have the guy who runs the whole thing telling you to take a break, which doesn't serve benefit him at all financially...so why the fuss?  There are plenty of similar airline games you can play online, but if you've done the homework (I have) you'll find that AWS is still the best one out there on several levels.

Sami

Quote from: BobTheCactus on May 11, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
unrelated, but is there a reason why some players capitalize Sami?

Must be some sort of acronym?

slither360

Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 09:03:44 PM
Must be some sort of acronym?

No, it's because you are a "grand fromage"

Perhaps I should capitalize SWISS, BLUE, and MOZZARELLA as well?

iFlysimX

Well Sami you never replied asking more info......your lost!

ucfknightryan

Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
Usually the "stupidly simple" things end up taking most time. And even if made people still cry about these "unnecessary logo makers" etc. :P

As a software developer I cringe every time someone utters something to the effect that a feature is 'stupidly simple' or trivial to implement.  As you said, they rarely are.

Sami

Quote from: BobTheCactus on May 11, 2011, 09:06:17 PM
No, it's because you are a "grand fromage"

You're saying I stink like cheese?? :P   (or look like one: Image)


(not to be taken that seriously .. been coding whole day, so I'm bound to post a few stupid jokes.)

slither360

Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
Moreover; I have had a couple of people helping out in some data tasks but in 3 of 4 cases the guy has not completed the task (and not talking about any "nuclear science" type of things still again..). So this is why I am reluctant in writing the necessary instructions on how to do it just to find out that was a waste of time.

If I could make a suggestion, you could post all this information that we need, and we as players could do like a wiki with everything you need. When you depend on 1 person, things may not work out, but when you have a good portion of the player base helping out, we'll keep each other honest and fill in when when others fail.

slither360

Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 09:11:15 PM
You're saying I stink like cheese?? :P   (or look like one: Image)


(not to be taken that seriously .. been coding whole day, so I'm bound to post a few stupid jokes.)

I think you missed this post with "glazed eyes syndrome," common after staring at a computer screen for too long.

Quote from: ukatlantic on May 11, 2011, 09:02:59 PM
Quote from: BobTheCactus on May 11, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
unrelated, but is there a reason why some players capitalize Sami?
Nope just something I've always done or maybe because he's the grande fromage of AWS and deserves his name in caps!   :laugh:

Curse

Quote from: sami on May 11, 2011, 08:48:55 PM
(btw. is someone really that surprised that I visit the forums every day? ..multiple times a day actually. And do read all the messages in all public AWS forums every day too. I have not counted but my average AWS time use per day is usually between 1-6hrs / day)

To be honest I think this is one of the problems.

You said programming in general is done by you and nobody else and I can understand that and, as I like the game how it is now, it seems a good idea because this will guarantee high quality.

But reading every post? I think it's not because of fun, it's mostly because of legal things. So if it's really because of fun ignore this post, but other people should take care of the forum. In my eyes a manager like you should just concentrate on important things - this for sure includes announcements and hanging around in bug and feature request forums, but the other time could be spend better in my eyes. Not only for having more time to program at AWS, also for having free time do other things.


A small add;
you said you are not answering every post in the bug/feature request forum. I can see your point, but please understand people who take their time not just playing the game but also reporting bugs or request features like this game and would enjoy if you gave them a small feedback. And if it's just a 'Have no time at the moment, will take a look at your request in the feature' or 'No, sorry, I don't like this because [1-2 sentences].' This may also consumes your time, but you honor the people who love your game and try to help and not let them feel they are just ignored and they posts are nothing worth.