140 PAX Demand over the atlantic worth it?

[Pilot Oatmeal]

Basically as the title says and what aircraft should I use if yes. 

Its a 140 PAX to JFK from Liverpool. 

[Ilyushin]

Depends on the scenario... but my guess is TMT4. Therefore, no, I think...

DotM/JA, definitely yes.

[Pilot Oatmeal]

yea modern times 4... geez it just seems a shame i can't make money off those 140 pax wanting to go

[Sami]

I would give it a go with 757 or similar..

[Ilyushin]

I would give it a go with 757 or similar..

Perhaps if you got a spare 757 that you can't send anywhere else more profitable, then yep.

[Pilot Oatmeal]

isnt the 757 too big.. meaning empty seats which is wasted fuel?  Am I missing the point... In RL there are no flights between liverpool and new york maybe thats a hint to not try...unless might sami is right?

[Pilot Oatmeal]

well a 757 would add another fleet to my already 2 different fleets (ATR, EMB 195s)

[swiftus27]

A 752 would be nice for that route.  Just get the perfect mix of business and coach.

[Pilot Oatmeal]

I think its something to try in the future but not right now, an extra fleet type would kill me

[swiftus27]

I think its something to try in the future but not right now, an extra fleet type would kill me

well, what fleet types are you flying?  You're in the general forum here and I don't have access to games I am not playing in  (but boy that would be nice if I was a Mentor...)

[Pilot Oatmeal]

I have 17 ATR 72/42, and 1 Embraer 195 with 4 on order... I think i should expand my current fleets first no?

[swiftus27]

I have 17 ATR 72/42, and 1 Embraer 195 with 4 on order... I think i should expand my current fleets first no?

You are flying a regional airline.  Why would you consider going international?  Your commonality costs would increase far more than the benefit you'd get from flying that route.

[Pilot Oatmeal]

well i would class it as a regional airline now... but with the Embraers coming in flying routes 700NM+ with some routes going about 1500 NM I was hoping to make it a European Domestic airline with some flights spreading into international areas.  If i had 50 ATRs and 50 EMBs than i dont think my commonality costs would go up that much if i got lets say 5 757s flying some of these 140 PAX routes to the East coast of America... your opinion?

[GEnx]

Probably if you buy the B757's as your own (provided you have the cash, of course), it would be completely worth it. Otherwise, you might only just break even as you won't be able to actually fill those B757's.

Have you considered flying those E195's over there with a tech stop? From experiences I've heard of other members, this seems to work perfectly fine.

[Pilot Oatmeal]

hmm interesting idea, where could i put the tech stop... greenland?  I know my dad flew there to refuel his plane accross the atlantic once.

[GEnx]

I mostly look at the "route curve" when you create the route directly, and then I try to find an airport that lies somewhere close to that curve to do the tech stop. Probably somewhere in Canada would be fine for you. Gander (YQX), for example.

Edit: If your fleet is big enough to support a third type, you could also look at the Airbus A319-100 or the B737-600, since they're able to reach for example JFK and EWR in one haul. Unfortunately, the B737-700ER is incredibly expensive so I'm not sure whether that would work for you as well.

[NorgeFly]

In MT4 you could use 737's to closer match the demand. I used them from Oslo once and if you own them the can certainly make a surprising profit but only with no competition. The 737-700ER and 737-900ER both have enough range in standard configuration to reach the east coast of N America... in a lower density configuration you could get them flying even further...

[GEnx]

In MT4 you could use 737's to closer match the demand. I used them from Oslo once and if you own them the can certainly make a surprising profit but only with no competition. The 737-700ER and 737-900ER both have enough range in standard configuration to reach the east coast of N America... in a lower density configuration you could get them flying even further...

But those were company owned, right?

[Pilot Oatmeal]

Thank you guys for your opinions I'm probably away off from doing these routes just yet, just planning ahead.  I like the idea of both the tech stop and 737s.... any idea on which one would be a better option?

[NorgeFly]

But those were company owned, right?

Yes I owned them... leased would not be effective.

I just looked and from LPL a 737-700ER could make Las Vegas, Denver and Dallas without any problems... definitely a better option than a 757 in my opinion. Although as I said, they'd need to be company owned and efficiently scheduled.

Thank you guys for your opinions I'm probably away off from doing these routes just yet, just planning ahead.  I like the idea of both the tech stop and 737s.... any idea on which one would be a better option?

If you can do them direct it would be much better... tech-stops cost time and money.