Missing aircraft models from database

[drhyed (Crash Airline)]

So thanks to whoever including the DC-8-Super 70's in the game!

WHY DO THEY HAVE WORSE FUEL BURN THAN DC-8-60'S??

WHY DO THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME RUNWAY PERFORMANCE???

The in game description even says:

The Conversions are straight engine swaps from JT8D’s to CFM56s. The end result was a quitter, far more efficient engine. Along with reduced take off/landing roll.
   

Hey thanks for the 10% boost in range, IF it had been accompanied with a 15-20% reduction in fuel burn and take off roll, the performance would almost resemble the real life aircraft. The in game fuel burn for the DC-8-63 is 8900kg per hr and the DC-8-73 is 9600kg per hr...  math was never my best subject in school but how is an 8% INCREASE "far more efficent"?

Since this seems to be beyond the grasp of whoever sets aircraft performance Ill baseline this for you free of charge: It should look something very close to this using very conservative DC-8 Super 70 performance date

Model      Weight      Range      Fuel Burn KG HR           Take Off Run
DC-8-61        147418      3310 nm         10120 Kg Hr           3000 M   
DC-8-71        147418      3900 nm         7598   Kg Hr           2600 M
DC-8-62        158760      5150 nm         8620  Kg Hr              2930 M
DC-8-72        158760      6075 nm         7068 Kg Hr              2600 M
DC-8-63        161628      4970 nm         8920 Kg Hr              3300 M
DC-8-73        161628      5865 nm         7310 Kg Hr              2700 M

Hey the hard work is done, the aircraft is in the game! All we need is a few changes to the performance tables, maybe update the pictures, and I can find something else to rant about

[Talentz]

So thanks to whoever including the DC-8-Super 70's in the game!

WHY DO THEY HAVE WORSE FUEL BURN THAN DC-8-60'S??

WHY DO THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME RUNWAY PERFORMANCE???

The in game description even says:

Hey thanks for the 10% boost in range, IF it had been accompanied with a 15-20% reduction in fuel burn and take off roll, the performance would almost resemble the real life aircraft. The in game fuel burn for the DC-8-63 is 8900kg per hr and the DC-8-73 is 9600kg per hr...  math was never my best subject in school but how is an 8% INCREASE "far more efficent"?

Since this seems to be beyond the grasp of whoever sets aircraft performance Ill baseline this for you free of charge: It should look something very close to this using very conservative DC-8 Super 70 performance date

Model      Weight      Range      Fuel Burn KG HR           Take Off Run
DC-8-61        147418      3310 nm         10120 Kg Hr           3000 M   
DC-8-71        147418      3900 nm         7598   Kg Hr           2600 M
DC-8-62        158760      5150 nm         8620  Kg Hr              2930 M
DC-8-72        158760      6075 nm         7068 Kg Hr              2600 M
DC-8-63        161628      4970 nm         8920 Kg Hr              3300 M
DC-8-73        161628      5865 nm         7310 Kg Hr              2700 M

Hey the hard work is done, the aircraft is in the game! All we need is a few changes to the performance tables, maybe update the pictures, and I can find something else to rant about

Where is the data your getting for this? From the launching of the new BW perhaps...? If so, Sami hasn't finalized the data yet. It's just in the DB now.

Once you see a changelog update from Sami: https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,58865.msg434488.html#msg434488 The aircraft or feature is 100% ready for AWS GWs.

So.. relax, it should be final very soon. 


Talentz

[NovemberCharlie]

Fresh from the press, but finally a new addition for the sub 20 seat segment: the Cessna 408 SkyCourier
http://cessna.txtav.com/en/turboprop/skycourier
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/textron-launches-beech-1900-sized-skycourier-with-fe-443667/
Initially a cargo plane, but also marketed as a 19 seater.

Specs are as follows:

Model:	Cessna 408 SkyCourier
Size class:	Small
Project launched:	28-11-2017
First deliveries:	2020
Cruise speed:	up to 200kts
Runway requirement:	3300ft (1006m)
Minimum crew:	? 1 or 2, 0 cabin
Seating configuration:	19Y
Cargo capacity:	6000lb (2722kg) payload, in three LD3 containers (so standard cargo should be possible) and volume for three LD3 would be 13.5m3
Engine:	PWC PT6A-65SC 1100shp
MTOW:
Max payload:	5000lb for the commuter, 6000 for the freighter
Range:	max 900nm, 4000nm at 5000lb payload
Fuel burn:	similiar to other PT6A aircraft (BE1900 or DHC6 has the closest engine, in game)
List price:	approximately 5.5mln USD

[lazerr11]

Speaking of high wing props --

https://www.tecnam.com/us/aircraft/p2012-traveller/


Cape Air is switching to these since Cessna didn't want to play along and give them anything non-turbo. 

I've been in and out of the game for literally a decade now (Thanks Sami!) -- has there been any talk of adding different types of fuel for these smaller av-gas props?


Crew: 1/2 pilots
Capacity: 9 passengers
Payload: 1130 kg (2491 lb)
Length: 11.8 m (38.6 ft)
Wingspan: 14.0 m (45.93 ft)
Height: 4.4 m (14.4 ft)
Wing area: 25.4 m² (273.7 ft²)
Empty weight: 2250 kg (4960 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 3600 kg (7937 lb)
Fuel capacity: 800 l (212 USgal)
Powerplant: 2 × Lycoming TEO540C1A horizontally-opposed, turbocharged, six-cylinder, direct-drive air-cooled piston engines, 375 hp () each
Propellers: MT-Propeller propeller
Performance

Cruise speed: 190 kts (352 km/h)
Stall speed: 60 kts (111 km/h)
Range: 907 nm (1,680 km)
Rate of climb: 1500 ft/min (7.6 m/s) Single engine: 300 ft/min (1.5 m/s)
Wing loading: 142 kg/m² (29 lb/ft²)
Fuel consumption: 30 US gal/h (114 l/h) at 150 kn (278 km/h) [5 nmi/gal; 2.4 km/l] to 47.6 US gal/h (180 l/h) at 180 kn (333 km/h) [3.78 nmi/gal; 1.9 km/l][9]
Power/mass: 4.8 kg/hp ()
Takeoff: 600 m (1,969 ft)
Landing: 500 m (1,640 ft)

[MikeS]

Stumbled upon this browsing the Flight International Archives:

Convair 880 Freighter conversion!

The add was from the 17 October 1979 edition.

Cheers!
Mike

[Talentz]

Stumbled upon this browsing the Flight International Archives:

Convair 880 Freighter conversion!

The add was from the 17 October 1979 edition.

Cheers!
Mike

I couldn't find actual data on the CV880F. I look for awhile then decided to skip. But it doesn't mean I've given up completely. Just put on the back burner for a bit.


Talentz

[NovemberCharlie]

Another family in the small aircraft sector, which has been around for a while:
The Piaggio Avanti series.
P.180 (Initial variant, 1990)
P.180 II (2005)
P.180 EVO (2016)

Could be a good aircraft in the commuter sector. Fast and updated over a longer period...

[MikeS]

B727-200ADV

Conversion to B727AF already exists but only as freighter.

Suggest add same option for pax model.

This document from 1993 details the option offered then by Valsan:

https://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1110&context=jaaer

And another from flight International:
https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1987/1987%20-%201488.html?search=valsan%20b727

The modification included exchanging the two outer engines for $8.6 Million, adding winglets for $0.5 Million and converting the cockpit to 2-man crew for
$1 Million. Total: $10.1 Million.
-Fuel burned is reduced by 12%
-Take-off field length reduced by 17%
-Range increased by 300nm

Cheers!
Mike


Cheers!
Mike

[Talentz]

B727-200ADV

Conversion to B727AF already exists but only as freighter.

Suggest add same option for pax model.

This document from 1993 details the option offered then by Valsan:

https://commons.erau.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1110&context=jaaer

And another from flight International:
https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1987/1987%20-%201488.html?search=valsan%20b727

The modification included exchanging the two outer engines for $8.6 Million, adding winglets for $0.5 Million and converting the cockpit to 2-man crew for
$1 Million. Total: $10.1 Million.
-Fuel burned is reduced by 12%
-Take-off field length reduced by 17%
-Range increased by 300nm

Cheers!
Mike

Yes, now that Sami has added the conversion option to AWS, this brings alot of conversion-only models into play and they will make their long awaited debut.

That said: https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,58865.msg434488.html#msg434488

(nb. the DC-8 and all dozens of variants is a mess .. There are probably a lot more conversion possibilities available but we've just focused on the cargo conversions for now; the system does support further pax version conversions too if data is entered. -70 series is coming soon too.)

The focus is cargo and combi for now with a nugget or two of conversions. But they will be added in due time.

So everyone keep posting models/links to data. It helps alot as opposed to researching from scratch.

Talentz

[MikeS]

TU-204-100C

Cargo model of TU-204 family.
Extensive details available directly on the Tupolev website:

http://www.tupolev.ru/en/civil_aviation/tu-204-100s

Most probably can use existing data on aircraft and adjust the payload/range data for cargo version.

TU-204-120CE  with RR engines is also shown and could be added too.

[Antoine]

When will the A321NEO LR and the A350-900 ULR be added?

[Tha_Ape]

Hawker Siddeley HS.748 quick change combi version (up until full freighter configs)

Exists for the 748 2a, 2b and Super 748.
During production of the 2a, a cargo door was installed in the forward fuselage. Later version also got a large cargo door on the rear. Both doors are on the left side.
It has no specific designation, but general rule would tend to call it 2aC 2bC, etc.

Technical info and pictures here:
http://www.flyairnorth.com/Experience/our-fleet.aspx

[MidWorld]

Are there any cargo options for BAC 1-11 in AWS?

These are the specifications I found online - have no idea how reliable the data is.
http://www.bac1-11jet.co.uk/bac1-11jet.co.uk%20Specifications.htm

I am kind of concerned, as this is 1978 in GW2 and I planned to stick to BACs for some time.

[yearofthecactus]

Boeing 747-200F (hugely popular early cargo plane).

Bombardier Q400 Freighter - 2008 variant. Can fly 8400kg of cargo 1100nm, with a max of 9000kg at 750nm.

http://www.bombardier.com/en/media/newsList/details.1032-bombardier-q400-package-freighter-launched-by-nord-flyg.bombardiercom.html

[MikeS]

As far as I know there never was a cargo version of the 1-11. Neither new built, nor conversion. I doubt we would see a cargo version in this game so better make
alternate plans.

[Talentz]

Boeing 747-200F (hugely popular early cargo plane).

Bombardier Q400 Freighter - 2008 variant. Can fly 8400kg of cargo 1100nm, with a max of 9000kg at 750nm.

http://www.bombardier.com/en/media/newsList/details.1032-bombardier-q400-package-freighter-launched-by-nord-flyg.bombardiercom.html

The 747 family and all of its variants is in the works. It should be ready for the next full GW.


Talentz

[Tha_Ape]

As far as I know there never was a cargo version of the 1-11. Neither new built, nor conversion. I doubt we would see a cargo version in this game so better make
alternate plans.

If the info on this site is good, seems there has been only a sole freighter built, model 485. However, it would still require more info to implement it in the game.

[MikeS]

I did a bit of research. Apparently 3 were built for the Royal Omani Air Force. They have a large cargo door for the main cabin up front.
The specs seem to be based on the 475 series which makes sense. They were designated 1-11-485GD. So I guess, could be added to the game
as a 475 series conversion, using same payload/range graph?

https://www.baesystems.com/en/heritage/bac1-11

If the info on this site is good, seems there has been only a sole freighter built, model 485. However, it would still require more info to implement it in the game.

[Tha_Ape]

BAe 146 Cargo and Combi

There is a combi and a cargo variant for the -200 and -300 models. And for the later improved RJ85 and RJ100
Combis are designated QC (Quick Change) and cargos QT (Quite Trader).

Some docs states that only the -200 has a QC, but that doc from BAe (with internal dimensions) says the -300 has also a combi
https://www.regional-services.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/146-RJ-Versatility-8pp-brochure-Civilian-2015-FOR-WEB-2.pdf
(even though it's from the manufacturer, I think they don't cheat on dimensions, only on fuel burn or such)

Technical data from the EASA here (payloads, dimensions, volume, etc.)
https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/EASA-TCDS-A.182_Bae_146---AVRO_146_RJ-02-20102010.pdf

[DiCH]

Boeing 767-200F