Alliance score

Started by spbird007, September 06, 2010, 09:49:28 AM

spbird007

Does anyone know how the variable andcumulative scores are calculated


MRFREAK

Quote from: spbird007 on September 06, 2010, 09:49:28 AM
Does anyone know how the variable andcumulative scores are calculated


Im confused!!!!  ;D

lospaziale

I am confused too.

Does the cumulative keep on going until the end of the game?
I mean in an alliance there was a troubled year and some airlines went bust plus other problem.
There is a cumulative score of let's say -400

Does this mean that any effort from the alliance will be useless and there will be no way to return to a total positive score? (keeping in mind that the variable score hardly gets over 350 points)

Sami, wouldn't it be better to make the cumulative score rolling less important? and let more space to the alliance admins to drive it up or down in the standings?

Sigma

Quote from: lospaziale on September 09, 2010, 06:58:50 PM
I am confused too.

Does the cumulative keep on going until the end of the game?
I mean in an alliance there was a troubled year and some airlines went bust plus other problem.
There is a cumulative score of let's say -400

Does this mean that any effort from the alliance will be useless and there will be no way to return to a total positive score? (keeping in mind that the variable score hardly gets over 350 points)

Sami, wouldn't it be better to make the cumulative score rolling less important? and let more space to the alliance admins to drive it up or down in the standings?

1>  Just because you had a -400 now and someone else has 0 doesn't mean that they can't get to -400 right along with you later.  No, you can never make those points back, but they can accrue negative points just like you; so it's not like all is lost or something.

2>  The point of the game isn't whoever is the "best" in a given week when the scores are recalculated, but who was the "best" over the course of the entire game.  Let's say that at the end of the game 2 Alliances had equal variable scores -- then undoubtedly the "better" Alliance is the one that had fewer BKs, worker strikes, and maintenance issues over the course of the entire game.

3>  The "better" Alliance is one that has a strong chain with no weak links.  An Alliance with a handful of players that can get massive Variable scores (see point #4) and a lot of players that suck, is not as good of an Alliance as one that has a lot of decent players running well-run airlines but perhaps no, or only a couple, mega-airlines.

4>  There are a massive number of Variable points in play.  Theoretically, a single person could earn 140 points.  A second player could earn 133 points, a third player 126 points, and so on -- with 20 players there are thousands of points to be earned.  So even a -200 or -400 cumulative score isn't insurmountable by any means even if another alliance doesn't get many negative cumulative points.

JumboShrimp

In another words, one member of alliance can contribut 1 point per year in business, but an airline that is in a tailspin, with multiple fines and strikes can theoretically "contribute" negative 100s of points in a year.  I think it may be a little harsh.

Sigma

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Quote from: JumboShrimp on September 09, 2010, 08:32:06 PM
In another words, one member of alliance can contribut 1 point per year in business, but an airline that is in a tailspin, with multiple fines and strikes can theoretically "contribute" negative 100s of points in a year.  I think it may be a little harsh.

Sure, if you look at just the cumulative score.   But while a single airline could theoretically contribute 100+ negative points in a tailspin I can just point to the single airline that contributes 100+ positive variable points as well.

You gotta take the good with the bad.  An Alliance shouldn't be scored just on the greatness of a few particular members but rather on its performance as a whole and over the course of the entire game, not just a singular blip of greatness of a particular week.  And if a single airline could theoretically contribute well over 100 points on the positive side it sure makes sense to me that a single airline could likewise contribute 100 points on the negative side too.

The whole "cumulative" vs "variable" thing is just misleading and a misnomer anyway.  If it should be called anything, and it's far easier for people to understand, is simple "positive" and "negative".  It just so happens that your negative points accumulate while your positive ones do not, but that's because there needs to be some lasting remnants of poor performance long after an airline is bankrupt, or gets fined, or whatever.  Just like reality, poor performance is remembered for eons, and it takes a LOT of good performance to  make up for a bad incident.  And really it isn't even that bad -- just having a singular member in the Top 10 in any of 7 categories will wipe out a single bankruptcy (if the player had the forethought/ability to BK before too long anyway).

Brockster

I like the introduction of the alliance score, it makes the game more dynamic and make alliances that much more competitive. However, I do wish that it would be more clear why an alliance is losing points. Clearly when an airline BKs we can know that the 10 point loss is from that but when points are disappearing and there seems to be no real reason it becomes a bit difficult to try to find a solution or to at least understand what's going on.

Maybe the moderators of the alliance should be able to see a bit better when points are lost or gained?

Sigma

Quote from: Brockster on September 11, 2010, 10:03:54 PM
I like the introduction of the alliance score, it makes the game more dynamic and make alliances that much more competitive. However, I do wish that it would be more clear why an alliance is losing points. Clearly when an airline BKs we can know that the 10 point loss is from that but when points are disappearing and there seems to be no real reason it becomes a bit difficult to try to find a solution or to at least understand what's going on.

Maybe the moderators of the alliance should be able to see a bit better when points are lost or gained?


Sami has said that a feature is coming that will show every airline's contribution to the overall score.  Presumably on the My Alliance page that shows all airlines in your alliance.

Brockster

Ahh, I missed that, thanks for letting me know. That will surely be a great help.  :)