Anti Monopoly Bureau: Route closure warning - Oversupply ?????

[naio90]

Hi!
I need some fast help! I'm getting those warnings for ALL my national routes... In which i dont have competition. The "overload" is apparently that I flight those 15-20 pax demand routes with Hawker Sydeley's with 48Y capacity. I dont think ist oversupplying it!!

I need fast help before they all get closed!

[swiftus27]

You dont think it is oversupply when one two of three seats are empty?

[naio90]

Already saw another post. Sorry, can be closed

p.s Im not going to get another fleet type for 8-9 routes  

[flydreamer]

check your pax demand on those routes, and remember whether it has plunged (sporadically in my case) or not.

it happened to me earlier today, and the problem is incorrect pax demand, and now it is ok.

[samomuransky]

You dont think it is oversupply when one two of three seats are empty?

Sami previously said that it's considered to be oversupplying if you put another flight on route already oversupplied by you.. This is really strange if you get oversupply warning for one flight...

[swiftus27]

You could simply fly "placeholders" for months this way... take a 747, figure out when you need it to take off and land...  Lease for two years a low capacity pax plane and make sure it is taking off at the times you want them to.   It still isnt hard to hog slots if you aren't stupid about it.

[Yullover]

Just have the same problem here, i receive a message :

Notification from the Anti Monopoly Bureau,

The Game Rules state that airline is not allowed to oversupply routes with excess seat capacity to allow fair competition. The automatic checking system has found some of your routes to be in violation of these rules (you provide too much capacity on the routes, and are exceeding the limits set forth in the rules).

Please check these routes and reduce their capacity immediately so that they are no longer oversupplied against the rules. If changes are not made within 48 hours the system will close down these routes.


Routes in violation of the rules:

    » COL481, EGKK - SKBO View route Route planning
    » COL667, EGKK - SKBO View route Route planning


Please be aware that oversupplying a route is forbidden in the game rules and airlines violating the rules may be penalized.


But the big problem is that ANY other smaller plae can fly this route !!!!!!!

The first route is oversupply by 34 seats ?
And the second one is because of hours of flight... it leave at 23h55 and not the second days... and now if i want to make change NO SLOT AVAILABLE !!!

WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH THIS SYSTEM !!! like 10 years or more that i flow this route without problem !!!

SAMI ?

[Sami]

You are supplying 440+ seats on route with pax avg 180/daily on one weekday, that triggers it.

[MattDell]

I just got one as well.  I run a regional airline in ATB2 and just got this one.

I have two routes found to be "oversupplied" by the Anti Monopoly Buereau.  One has 20 pax demand the other has 30 pax a day, but I'm serving them using my smallest plane, a Q400.

These are small, obscure routes than no one else is ever going to serve, so why shouldn't I be able to serve them?  I understand what you're trying to do here, sami, but I think it applies more to bigger airports where someone is serving 2,000 seats on a 1,000 seat route.  I don't think it's fair to penalize small airports who are never going to have passenger service if an airline has to buy a specific plane just to serve it.

Think of the poor people of Leige, Belgium!  Now they'll have to take the car to Luxembourg.

-Matt

[RushmoreAir]

I just got one as well.  I run a regional airline in ATB2 and just got this one.

I have two routes found to be "oversupplied" by the Anti Monopoly Buereau.  One has 20 pax demand the other has 30 pax a day, but I'm serving them using my smallest plane, a Q400.

These are small, obscure routes than no one else is ever going to serve, so why shouldn't I be able to serve them?  I understand what you're trying to do here, sami, but I think it applies more to bigger airports where someone is serving 2,000 seats on a 1,000 seat route.  I don't think it's fair to penalize small airports who are never going to have passenger service if an airline has to buy a specific plane just to serve it.

Think of the poor people of Leige, Belgium!  Now they'll have to take the car to Luxembourg.

-Matt

I totally agree!  In MT2, my Bolivian airline would need Pipers to serve half the cities that are in the country.  We used DH8s, but this might not work now.

[Tujue]

I totally agree!  In MT2, my Bolivian airline would need Pipers to serve half the cities that are in the country.  We used DH8s, but this might not work now.

Same here, I'm using DH8s at ATB for my domestic operations. Sometimes the flight demand show that I'm not oversupply the route, but sometimes it decreases so it changes to oversupply. To allow fair competition? I'm the only one flying out to these airports from my hub and the only airline based at Recife.

[Phetoy6]

Modify your a/c to all premium seats..

[MattDell]

And just a further point.... if I am, for example, using a 60 pax aircraft on a 20 pax route then that is not exactly a monopoly since I'm not creating any barriers for entry.  The second an airline comes in with a 20 pax plane, my route would instantly be unprofitable and I would drop it.  

I make a modest profit on my Luxembourg to Liege route, for example, but the economies would work much better for someone with a smaller plane to operate it.  Until then, I should be allowed to earn my small profit.

-Matt

[MattDell]

Modify your a/c to all premium seats..

That would affect the 4-5 other routes I fly with that plane per day.

[RushmoreAir]

That would affect the 4-5 other routes I fly with that plane per day.

Again, I totally agree.

[castelino009]

I got a warning for flying a route with demand of 535 pax a day with my A380 of 525 

Any comments? I am the only one flying the route and if you keep checking the demand every few secs the demand is more than supply, how can that be oversupply? I thought oversupply was when it goes above 200%

Regards
VJC

[spiff23]

C'mon Sami, I can appreciate you putting in this feature to stop the whining and true cases of flooding routes, but you need to work on the logic behind this addition as it is completely flawed and if you are going to display the average daily demand then the formula should be based on that and you need to start hard coding demand and making it explicity clear what you are doing, especially considering your route demand engine, as defined, is so vague and constantly changing.  You clearly state that is close to reality, but may be off by something like 30%.  I didn't sign up to play an advanced math game...so if you are adding this feature then get your story straight.

I have an oversupply warning on Bangalore-Bhubeneswar (not the most lucrative route btw, but one where I'm making a decent profit).  The average demand is 37 seats a day when I just checked and I use a 50 seat ERJ for 1 flight / day...350 seats per week vs demand of 259 seats per week or 135% supply....well within the guidleine...so per the rule of staying under 200% you have a completely flawed math if you are flagging me for this route...and apparently those of many others.

If you are going to claim a route has a certain average daily demand, I would think you're formula would be the said average demand x 7 x 2...otherwise it begs the question of what's the point if you can't even use an ERJ for 1 daily regional route?   best I can figure you are basing this on each individual day, so yes the 50 seat ERJ exceeds the Saturday demand but is well within the Friday demand and well within the average weekly demand...so what gives???    

seems like you are taking this game away from reality if these type of routes can't be served daily with a basic commuter plane.  a lot of airlines still would schedule this type of route daily for passenger convenience even if saturday is less profitable and they are the only one providing the single daily flight.

you may also want to consider writing your logic in an "if" statement, as in: if there is more than one daily flight and weekly demand exceeds the coded average weekly demand *2 then issue a notice.  The reality of an the airline business is airlines schedule planes to fly, not sit on the ground. so if you can make money by flying the plane on a short route, or on saturday when the business travellers are hopefully at home, then you do it in the real world.  You may even offer a discount fare on saturday to attract leisure travellers and keep the cash flow going.

Utlimately, Sami, you need to really make your rule book much clearer as to what you are measuring if you are going to make this a guessing statistical exercise... if you are tying the 200% to each individual day; then stop displaying an average demand number and make it extremely explicit what you are measuing.  I base my capacity on my weekly seats relative to the average daily demand * 7.  So if you are basing it on the lowest daily demand for the week, then say that, since that makes many 1000s of route pairs that probably can't be served daily with a plane that is appropriate for the Monday/Friday demand.

[brendanosx]

I agree that at the very least the formula should be based on weekly, not daily demand.  It would also help if the warning was ONLY triggered on routes with 2 or more airlines flying, not one.  In JA2 most of my routes out of my Texas hubs are 40 per week, so I have a 66 seat DC-9 on them and the triggers are coming...Saturdays most likely where the demand may be around 25-28. Sorry, Dothan, Alabama, youre losing your DC-9

I like the idea behind this, especially for the big US carriers going crazy on ORD, LAX, and ATL....but some refinement is in order.

Best,
brendanosx

[castelino009]

  The average demand is 37 seats a day and I use a 50 seat ERJ for 1 flight / day..

now that's almost double BIA, ahahah. LOL , just kidding mate, I completely agree with you. A great new feature introduced by Sami, but has to tweaked a lot more.

How about a  BETA for all the new features??? I am bit bored of ATB, Will be intrested in testing some new features, what you reckon BIA?

Regards
VJC

[spiff23]

well not exactly bored, but now annoyed   I'm not sure what's worse...being flagged for an A380 or an ERJ ...especially considering our friendly competition