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[Tiberius]

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[Sandager]

 I really feel for the

Hi,

"Well if you check the manual / game rules, all intimidation and unfair play is forbidden.. So I guess you can say that to him and tell him to refer the rules/manual"

I guess you can write and tell him that. I guess you can. as in I don't care. There is no other way I can read that reply. MY apologies for that

I see you accepting it is not a fair way of doing business and I also read that you are not going to take action.  Which is fair enough. you, like the rest of us has a life, need to eat and sleep and work and other stuff. But WHY have any rules when these are there just for the show but not to be respected.

Based on actions, or complete lack thereof, I would leave this game right away if I had not had credit in my account. I bought these under the assumption that rules are rules and should be respected. I didn't buy them to support fraud. And I will not let them go to waste and they are no longe refundable. And indeed it is fraud when you pretend to have rules, sell a product with these conditions and then just don't do anything to make sure rules are respected.

Yes, I agree it is just a game. But cheating and blackmailing is not part of any game. It is against the rules, according to Sami. But then rules are to be frowned upon?

[Curse]

Haven't you read the other posts or are you just ignoring them?

[d2031k]

I really feel for the

Hi,

"Well if you check the manual / game rules, all intimidation and unfair play is forbidden.. So I guess you can say that to him and tell him to refer the rules/manual"

I guess you can write and tell him that. I guess you can. as in I don't care. There is no other way I can read that reply. MY apologies for that

I see you accepting it is not a fair way of doing business and I also read that you are not going to take action.  Which is fair enough. you, like the rest of us has a life, need to eat and sleep and work and other stuff. But WHY have any rules when these are there just for the show but not to be respected.

Based on actions, or complete lack thereof, I would leave this game right away if I had not had credit in my account. I bought these under the assumption that rules are rules and should be respected. I didn't buy them to support fraud. And I will not let them go to waste and they are no longe refundable. And indeed it is fraud when you pretend to have rules, sell a product with these conditions and then just don't do anything to make sure rules are respected.

Yes, I agree it is just a game. But cheating and blackmailing is not part of any game. It is against the rules, according to Sami. But then rules are to be frowned upon?

I guess you can is simply a way of suggesting something.  It could just as easily say 'I suppose you can...' or 'I would suggest you could...' 

He's not saying 'guess' as in 'I guess the answer is...'

[Sandager]

 Yes it seems that some actions were taken. Despite people prefering no rules and no actions and supporting anarchy, Sami has apparently taken proper action. Thanks from me. Thanks for restoring a bit of trust in the rules

[filipebravo]

Sandager, I think you should really reconsider leaving the game.   I understand it is unfair to read and mind the rules of the game when they are not to be respected by some individuals, but you have to agree with me Sandager, most of us play a fair game and most of us aren't happy when this kind of situation happens. I really enjoy playing this game, whether I am going bankrupt or I have a huge and successful airline, I am allways learning. Of course I like to win, I enjoy being the best, but there are means of being more efective other than just attacking other fellow players. Some individuals don't really deal very well with the competition, but those shouldn't be given any credits to spoil the spirit of this game.

Unlike other fellows who posted their opinions, I don't really think this game should be about bullying/blackmailing other players for fun. We aren't playing a shooter. Fun is when you, by legal means, by following the rules of the game get where you want.

Like I said before, I don't think Sami should be required to enforce any rules. Unfortunately, some individuals hidden behind their virtual masks think, as this is a game, anything is possible, anything is fair, nothing's gonna happen because this is virtual. The fact is that we all pay to play, so we all should enjoy playing the game and I really enjoy the spirit of this game, but I don't see where this kind of situations (player to player harassment) contribute to any fun.

I will continue playing this game and I will allways reprove this kind of attitudes. If only all of you fellow did the same, Sami wouldn't have to be called everytime a player breaks the rules.

[oggie84]

I really feel for the

Hi,

"Well if you check the manual / game rules, all intimidation and unfair play is forbidden.. So I guess you can say that to him and tell him to refer the rules/manual"

I guess you can write and tell him that. I guess you can. as in I don't care. There is no other way I can read that reply. MY apologies for that

I see you accepting it is not a fair way of doing business and I also read that you are not going to take action.  Which is fair enough. you, like the rest of us has a life, need to eat and sleep and work and other stuff. But WHY have any rules when these are there just for the show but not to be respected.

Based on actions, or complete lack thereof, I would leave this game right away if I had not had credit in my account. I bought these under the assumption that rules are rules and should be respected. I didn't buy them to support fraud. And I will not let them go to waste and they are no longe refundable. And indeed it is fraud when you pretend to have rules, sell a product with these conditions and then just don't do anything to make sure rules are respected.

Yes, I agree it is just a game. But cheating and blackmailing is not part of any game. It is against the rules, according to Sami. But then rules are to be frowned upon?

To be honest, what you have written is pure speculation and by the way you put your words, as per above, you to would be guilty of what you are accusing Sami of.....misunderstanding. You can read into it as much as you want but until you hear both sides of the story (and i doubt you will in this thread) then it's hard to just assume Sami doesn't give a crap.

For one the 'player' might have misunderstood Sami's initial answer. Sami simply suggested for him to try and work it out with the "supposed blackmailer" first to see if an agreement could be reached. You can't just go 'crying to mummy' because you didn't like what the "supposed blackmailer" may have said and expect Sami to hand down punishments like he'd committed murder or something. It's business, a dog eat dog world and in real life who would you cry too because someone broke an old agreement. It's hardly legally binding on here so certain situations make certain things change....and so to work out a new deal is called negotiations and thats what you do in business.

[filipebravo]

and so to work out a new deal is called negotiations and thats what you do in business.

If you've had access to the msg sent you wouldn't have called it negotiations.  Unless we are playing Mafiasim instead of Airwaysim... 

[oggie84]

If you've had access to the msg sent you wouldn't have called it negotiations.   Unless we are playing Mafiasim instead of Airwaysim...  

Well this is the problem to everyone commenting on this subject....no one knows the full facts and i clearly stated this at the start of my last message.

So i agree with Hellsey...this thread should now be locked.

[BigBarron]

First off those that posted here about threats or intimidation or blackmailing are right...it doesnt belong here or anywhere. That being said there are those out there that WILL break the rules just to try them. I have observed several reports of misconduct in the game..and Sami's response has usually been they have been notified and they are expected to address their conduct..usually within a few days..nothing dramamtic as instantanious as vengence with bans and such. No one has posted the real messages and for one I don't wanna see em. I will point this one thing out.

Sandager- you are guilty of the very same exact conduct you want justice for. YOU took this issues not to Sami by PM and kept it there..you didnt get what you wanted fast enough so you took it to the public in hopes of forcing Sami's actions...aka BLACKMAIL...pure and simple. You cant dodge it..you cant hide it...and if you want justice for your alliance..then you need to be willing to take your own medicine. period. I know thru life things tend to move slow and I have to accept those just like most accept it...YOU on the other hand took out your frustration in a way that you were fighting against..thereby making you just as guilty as the one you want retribution on. My old grandmother used to say people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks...I have faith in Sami and his admin team...and if/when I take an issue to them I have faith it WILL be handled in an appropriate manner. You on the otherhand have shown that you don't have faith..you have a vindictive streak and don't care how your actions affect others...so for my part..I hope you just fold your tent and disappear...you have already said you would..and I for one won't miss this inappropriate drama..You started this..so be a man and finish it..go away.. 

[Sami]

I don't think Sami should be required to enforce any rules.

No, rules must be enforced, and I am doing that - based on reports I receive. But sometimes it is just much easier to say to the other person that "what you are suggesting is against the rules, please do not do that" (and forward the message to me too, for information).

(And as posted already, in many times when people report of rule violations there is nothing wrong in the situation, especially when talking about overcapacity situations where the graphs are often misread. But if there is a rule violation that has been checked and confirmed I do have to take an action of course .. First a warning, and then other actions if that does not help.)

But .. probably there is not much left to discuss on this. The actual issue what was talked was already sorted a time ago, and nobody probably has anything useful left to comment.