Runway Capacity at LCY

[robeveleigh]

Hi Sami,

LCY is only licensed for small jets and props, however, the sim allows be to create a route to Algiers with a 737-400 (bit not a 737-500) bizarrely! And an A321-320-319 (the only version in real life of which is the A318 can currently land at LCY)

Could you have a look at this bug please?  If not no problem but I purposely bought a load of AVRO 100s in order to operate at LCY but if I can do it with 737s then all the better!

Rob

[filipebravo]

You can use a 737, but you can't load it full of fuel. It means you are limited on how far you can travel with it. If using a 737 on a <1000nm route is ok for you, then why not?? 
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong please!

[TFC1]

In real life there is a restriction regarding what type of aircraft you may fly to LCY. The main reason is the steep glideslope, 5.5 degrees, on the approach. To be able to fly the approach, each type has to recieve a special certification, and crew must be specially trained to fly the approach. Currently there are no operators of 737s at LCY, but BA flies the A319 via Shannon to New York configured all C-class.

[filipebravo]

Well then I guess steep glideslope issue is not modeled on the game yet, is it?

[TFC1]

Probably not  . But I feel there should be more realistic restrictions included regarding airports and types of aircraft operated.

[MidlandDeltic]

In real life there is a restriction regarding what type of aircraft you may fly to LCY. The main reason is the steep glideslope, 5.5 degrees, on the approach. To be able to fly the approach, each type has to recieve a special certification, and crew must be specially trained to fly the approach. Currently there are no operators of 737s at LCY, but BA flies the A319 via Shannon to New York configured all C-class.

Slight correction - BA fly an A318, not an A319 on BAW001/2/3/4.  Even with a light fuel load, I think the A319 would not be able to use LCY due to restricted runway length.

MD

[L1011fan]

In real life there is a restriction regarding what type of aircraft you may fly to LCY. The main reason is the steep glideslope, 5.5 degrees, on the approach. To be able to fly the approach, each type has to recieve a special certification, and crew must be specially trained to fly the approach. Currently there are no operators of 737s at LCY, but BA flies the A319 via Shannon to New York configured all C-class.

It is an A-318 not a 319.

[L1011fan]

Probably not  . But I feel there should be more realistic restrictions included regarding airports and types of aircraft operated.

Agreed! I think (not sure) an RJ-70 or an F-70 is the largest that can use the facility in the land of the living except for BA's A-318 service. Maybe even as small as an F-28. But I think we should restrict the size of aircraft into LCY. And if you're gonna put an A-318 in there it better all be C Class. I t looks rediculous seeing all these big aircraft scheduled in there whe you know it would never happen.

[apenfold]

Each type has to be certified, and as has been said, nothing larger than the A318 has as yet been certified (and on the outward leg to New York it has to refuel at Shannon). Whilst there is the slim possibility that the 737 could make the 5.5 degree glide-slope with a low fuel load. It would also have to contend with the low amount of fuel it would be able to carry whilst departing with a load of passengers, significantly reducing its range. There are also the very specific noise regulations that are in force at the airport and I am not sure that the 737 would be able to meet those restrictions.

As to aircraft permitted at the airport, the A318 can fly out of EGLC however remember that it has an all Business configuration and still has to make a fuel stop due to the outward bound transatlantic headwinds. The Embraer 190 is - as far as I am aware - the largest aircraft in terms of pax carried that can use the airport, similarly the Avro RJ-100/BAe146-200 is also certified for use (as is the entire 146/RJ Series). The Fokker 70 is also certified for use (the F100 is not) as it features a tail air brake allowing it to meet the glide-slope without an increase in speed (this is the case as far as I'm aware).

As far as the game goes, please can we have some restrictions on airports such as London City! I'm based at EGLC in MT2 and there are examples of all the following aircraft flying to the airport:

Boeing 727 (Palma)
Boeing 737 (Algiers, Barcelona)
Boeing 757 (Tehran)
Airbus A320 (Frankfurt, Istanbul, Paris CDG)
McDonnell Douglas MD83 (Copenhagen
Fokker 100 (Paris Orly, Madrid, Prague)

It is rather annoying when the game is supposed to be as realistic as possible to find that these people can operate the incorrect types of aircraft into the airport, as it is part of the real airline world that to operate into EGLC you have to be in possession of the correct aircraft or take the hit in terms of operating costs from obtaining the correct aircraft. Apart from that I'm fine, apart from the inability to be able to pay off airlines to shift their operations to another time at EGLC so that I can have all the 06-07 and 20-21 slots!

[Curse]

What exactly makes you think in a parallel world like AWS it is impossible to get the rights to operate other aircraft on this airport?

Isn't it also "unrealistic" to operate lots of tons of crappy small aircraft out of Heathrow?


In my opinion there are much more important things to code than a special restriction for a very small aircraft in Europe...

[GDK]

Airport restrictions....
It will be a headache for every player in AWS if the real restrictions are implemented. The engine noise level thing is enough to make us all crazy.

[apenfold]

BMI operate Embraer 145s out of EGLL in real life. Air France have ATRs into and out of EGLL too. Its not unrealistic to operate small aircraft into and out of EGLL if you can make enough to warrant the slot costs.

There is no way that the 727, 757 or MD-83 would ever be able to operate from EGLC. A320, 737 and Fokker 100 at a push but in reality the capacity, range or both would not warrant it.

[MattDell]

Apart from that I'm fine, apart from the inability to be able to pay off airlines to shift their operations to another time at EGLC so that I can have all the 06-07 and 20-21 slots!

We talkin' AWS money or real money? 

-Matt

[Curse]

If he's talking about real money, I'm sure he can make possible every aircraft can use London City and than it's accurate in AWS!