Multiple bases

[Boomer Aires]

This game is no more fun!
If you start to late there is no chance to grow on a normal airport.
There comes one or two big operator(s) with more than 100 A/Cs and they base 20 aircraft at your airport...there is no more chance for you

What is the restriction? The 20 biggest airport in the game or the 20 biggest or in the world area (Asia, Europe,...).,

Sami, please rethink the Hub-System by some restrictions or limitations. 15% more on the FC is a nothing. The FC Costs are between 6-10% of all my operational costs.
The market entry barriers with overall 15% on the FC-Costs for each fleet and the office rent is lower than for a half year old company.

Yes its so easy to put a lot of new aircrafts into the new base an kill the the competitors by offering 200% seats over the demand for f*** low price.

This game is loosing a lot of fun!


Ah, yes:
I'd like to have a constructive discussion and no "know-it-all pathetic blabla"

[Sami]

It's top 20 worldwide where you cannot setup additional bases. Because these big airports are all already packed and full by the time people can open bases (18 months) so it's unnecessary to create even more competition there. A more sophisticated system on calculating the available base airports is planned for later, it'll be based on the true capacity remaining at each airport.

Also, HUB airports have many other costs than just increased fleet comm. costs. You have opening costs which are very high, then the fleet comm, office rent, staff costs etc. The office rent costs are of course very low for a new base since you have only like 5 people working there, but if you check, they do raise quite rapidly when you expand (it's not possible to take into account the fact that you need to reserve space for possible expansions so the office costs just go up according to the staff levels at each base).

And "killing" a competition with just putting routes and low prices hasn't really ever worked here in my mind. Or I mean it is not so straightforward - you need more than that, the whole company has to be well build to be able to drive traffic from others to your airline, and it's not an instant thing (I believe you are familiar with these).

[jamestbailey]

I don't disagree with what you say Sami, but don't forget that the chances are that anyone who has built a 100+ aircraft airline will have a well structured business (by definition) so that they ought to have little difficulty in destroying small/mid-sized airlines in their new hubs. Unless you make a total hash of it, which seems to happen rarely, once you get big you stay big...

...no problem with that as a concept - it's a bit like the real world. But it does remove much chance of building a big airline unless you have a good start, surely? Would be really interested to know if anyone has ever grown a top-50 airline joining a game after 25% of play. If not, does one of the top flight regulars fancy trying (covertly so as not to draw attention).

(No doubt if I have this all wrong, someone can delicately put me straight)

[Knud B]

How many bases can be set by each airline?

It says "There is also a limit on how many bases can be set by each airline." but there is nothing about how the limitation is set...

[Curse]

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[GDK]

Seems the endless argument on hub system is returning to the board...

[Maarten Otto]

Why are people moaning so much about this?

I want to play at CDG but the big boys have taken it all... I am not willing to try something else and I continue to set up my CDG base airport. Now those big boys know I'm here they start a seat dump on my route and I turn in to the red.... Help, help, help.... Wait... that's it. If I can't be here then they shouldn't be here as well.... Let's start complaining about this feature, and try to convince Sami that it's not fair.

Please.... try something else if you cant open at DFW, EGLL, EHAM or any other big airport.  Move to France, order 30 Embrear's and go regional to small airports... have fun.

If your late, we won't wait.... (easyJet)

[Boomer Aires]

not helpfull Maarten
Please look at the dates 

Knud only asked:

How many bases can be set by each airline?
It says "There is also a limit on how many bases can be set by each airline." but there is nothing about how the limitation is set...

[altmants]

It's top 20 worldwide where you cannot setup additional bases. Because these big airports are all already packed and full by the time people can open bases (18 months) so it's unnecessary to create even more competition there. A more sophisticated system on calculating the available base airports is planned for later, it'll be based on the true capacity remaining at each airport.

But, lets say the Largest carrier at a BIG Airport just quit(which has happened), No one could enter that airport unless you quit and remake your airline from scratch

In fact, the Largest Carrier at ORD is currently in talks about quiting(in the jet Age) so he could focus on Air Travel Boom.

"Because these big airports are all already packed and full by the time people can open bases -sami" - if they are in fact packed and full, then slots should be next to none, and therefore no one would want to open a second base their anyways!!! doh!.

I say get rid of this restriction. I'm sure people can determine themselves whether a airport is "packed in full" or not. (we do know how to look up airport information)

Also, their have been cases in which a non top 20 airport is "packed in full" while a top 20 still has room to expand. EX, in the jet age, JFK actually has more available slots than Newark right now(since a carrier at JFK just quit the game)! Newark has more daily flights than JFK currently. But a person could open a base at EWR and not JFK(because the top 20 rule) despite EWR is "packed in full" while JFK has slots.

[Knud B]

How many bases can be set by each airline?

It says "There is also a limit on how many bases can be set by each airline." but there is nothing about how the limitation is set...

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Only 3?!?!?
What is the point with that?
And why not then just write that instead writing that there is a limit. If the limit allways is 3 then just write it so we are prepared.
Then I just can say; don't establish bases in smaller airports. Great expansion is not possible.

[marsinvictus]

I completely agree with the intial comment. The multiple bases system is making it very difficult for any late players to succeed. I started Jet age 2 when it was at 6% played. I had to choose a secondary city (Ankara) as the main city (Istanbul) had a very successful operator. I was doing very well (for the first time since joining Airway Sim) then the player from Istanbul opened a second base in my city and proceeded to expand on to my routes (such that capacity is 2-300 %) and take up the remaining slots. This has forced me to set up a second base elsewhere in an attempt to survive.

It really is a waste of your credits now if you don't join a game right at the beginning.

[Curse]

Only 3?!?!?
What is the point with that?
And why not then just write that instead writing that there is a limit. If the limit allways is 3 then just write it so we are prepared.
Then I just can say; don't establish bases in smaller airports. Great expansion is not possible.

At the moment you can have your HQ plus three bases.

Maybe later there will be no or some other limit.

[Tiberius]

I think there has always been that feeling that it is very challenging to start midway through the game.  But I've looked around and there is certainly lots of opportunities in MT2, which is, I think about 50% the way through.  I've got a buddy who had a strong start but bankrupted...and then had rough restarts from then on out.  But he set up in a top 20 and seems to be doing well again.  As for my home base, Denver, there are plenty of slots and lots of demand for routes with 200-300+ seats.  Since the older airlines probably aren't leasing old planes much anymore, that means the new guys have plenty of options on the used market, and my growth is regulated by the delivery dates of my new planes.  I think it is a pretty reasonable environment to start in.  Certain strategies won't work at this point very well (overseas flights to/from large cities), but there is definitely lots of room for growth still. 

[JonesyUK]

The issue I have with the multiple bases, is the 70 plane limit forces you to start in a large airport.

For instance, I started late at Liverpool in MT2 which can only support about 30 737 - F100 size aircraft. So, I'm basically limited to 240 A/c with the 3 bases. IMO, you should be able to transfer your HQ & it's 'no limit' on planes to another airport.