Data request: Aircraft MSN numbers

[Sami]

Part of the v.1.3 features aircraft MSN numbers will be made visible (they have already existed in v.1.1 but haven't been visible).

To make it as real as possible I'd need information of the format of the numbers for all, or as many as possible, fleet groups. In some cases each model may have a separate format for the MSN numbers but here we have to group them by production fleet groups.

Please post information about the c/n format to this thread. What I need mainly is the main format (ie. numbers, letters etc), and if numbers have been used, what was the start number.  (= post here directly what the format is so I do not have to look from various links)

Examples:
For A320 (data) it's easy:  001 ...
For B737 (data) it appears to start from 19103 ..
etc.


Fleet groups are:

If the name has line over it, the data already exists.


Aérospatiale Concorde
Aérospatiale N262
Agusta AZ-8L
Airbus A300/A310
Airbus A318/A319/A320/A321
Airbus A330/A340
Airbus A350
Airbus A380
Airspeed Ambassador
Antonov An-10/12
Antonov An-140
Antonov An-148/158
Antonov An-24/26
Antonov An-28
Antonov An-38
Armstrong Whitworth AW.55
Armstrong Whitworth AW.650/670
ATR 42/72
Aviation Traders ATL-90
Avro RJ Avroliner
Baade 152
BAC One-Eleven
Beechcraft 99/1900
Boeing 247
Boeing 307
Boeing 377
Boeing 707/720
Boeing 717
Boeing 727
Boeing 737-100/200
Boeing 737-300/400/500
Boeing 737-600/700/800/900
Boeing 747-100/200/300
Boeing 747-400/-8
Boeing 757-200/300
Boeing 767-200/300/400
Boeing 777-200/300
Boeing 787
Bombardier CRJ
Bombardier CSeries
Bombardier Dash 8-Q400
Breguet 763/765
Bristol Britannia
Bristol Wayfarer
British Aerospace BAe 146
British Aerospace BAe ATP
British Aerospace J31/32/41
Britten-Norman Islander/Trislander
CASA C-212
CASA CN-235
Cessna 208
COMAC ARJ21
Convair 240/340/440
Convair 880/990
Curtiss-Wright C-46
Dassault Mercure
de Havilland Canada DHC-3
de Havilland Canada DHC-4
de Havilland Canada DHC-5
de Havilland Canada DHC-6
de Havilland Canada DHC-7
de Havilland Canada DHC-8-100/-200/-300
de Havilland DH.104 Dove
de Havilland DH.106 Comet
de Havilland DH.114 Heron
de Havilland DH.84 Dragon
de Havilland DH.86 Express
de Havilland DH.89 Dragon Rapide
Dornier 228
Dornier 328
Douglas DC-2/DC-3
Douglas DC-4
Douglas DC-6
Douglas DC-7
Douglas DC-8
Embraer 170/175/190/195
Embraer EMB-110
Embraer EMB-120
Embraer ERJ-135/140/145
Fairchild Metro
Fokker 50
Fokker 70/100
Fokker F.27
Fokker F.28
GAF Nomad
Handley Page Herald
Hawker Siddeley HS 748
Hawker Siddeley HS121 Trident
Hunting Percival Prince/President
Ilyushin Il-114
Ilyushin Il-12/14
Ilyushin Il-18
Ilyushin Il-62
Ilyushin Il-86
Ilyushin Il-96
Let L-410/420
Lockheed L-1011
Lockheed L-188
Martin 2-0-2 / 4-0-4
McDonnell Douglas DC-10
McDonnell Douglas DC-9
McDonnell Douglas MD-11
McDonnell Douglas MD-80
McDonnell Douglas MD-90
Mitsubishi Regional Jet
NAMC YS-11
Nord Noratlas
Pilatus PC-12
Piper PA-31/-42
Saab 2000
Saab 340
Saab 90 Scandia
Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer
Short 330/360
Short Skyvan/Skyliner
Sud Aviation Caravelle
Sukhoi Superjet
Tupolev Tu-104
Tupolev Tu-110
Tupolev Tu-114
Tupolev Tu-124
Tupolev Tu-134
Tupolev Tu-144
Tupolev Tu-154
Tupolev Tu-204/214/224/234
Tupolev Tu-334
VFW 614
Vickers Vanguard
Vickers VC10
Vickers Viking
Vickers Viscount
Xian MA60/MA600
Yakovlev Yak-40
Yakovlev Yak-42

[Branmuffin]

All DeHavilland Canada models have serial numbers which appear to start from #1 and number upwards sequentially and chronologically.
(Especially, look at the link for the Dash 8 )

DHC-2 data
DHC-3 data
DHC-4 data
DHC-5 data
DHC-6 data
DHC-7 data
DHC-8 data

[Tujue]

Fokker:
Fokker F27 starts at #10101
Fokker F28 starts at#11001
Fokker 50/60 starts at #20103 (although the two prototypes (read converted F27s) had serial number 10685 and 10688)
Fokker 70/100 starts at #11242 (F70 and F100 mixed)

Fokker-VFW:
Fokker/VFW VFW-614 starts at G01

Fairchild: (Although not included in the game, maybe for later)
Fairchild F-27/F-227 starts at #1

I have checked those serial number also on other sites, they are all the same. If you want it, I can send other links too. Good luck

[jimsom]

British Aerospace BAe 146 / Avro RJ Avroliner (combined)
Starts with 1001

Bombardier CRJ
Starts with 7001

Bombardier Dash 8
Starts with 001 (then jumps from 671 to 4001)

McDonnell Douglas DC10
Starts with 46500

McDonnell Douglas MD80/90 (combined)
Starts with 48000 (then jumps from 48099 to 49100)

McDonnell Douglas MD11
Starts with 48401

Saab 2000
Starts with 001

Saab 340
Starts with 001

Sukhoi Superjet
Starts with 95001

[Sami]

thanks, keep'em coming.

(need only the starting number as the manf. amounts are not the same as in reality)

[Tujue]

Tupolev Tu104 has a strange numbering as can be seen here.
Tupolev Tu114 starts at 7801, then jumps from 7802 to 401
Tupolev Tu134 has also a strange numbering
I really don't understand those Russian numberings, the Tupolev Tu144 ones can be found here
Tupolev Tu154 starts at M001 till M009, then further as A010 (exception: protoype was KH1)
Tupolev Tu204 starts at 64001*
Tupolev Tu214 starts at  001
Tupolev Tu224 never build
* 64001 was build as a Tupolev Tu204, later converted to a Tupolev Tu234 prototype, but never flown. This version is renamed to Tu204-300.

[Sami]

Those early Russian numbers were so confusing mainly to distract the western (capitalist pig) spies.. 

[Tujue]

Those early Russian numbers were so confusing mainly to distract the western (capitalist pig) spies.. 

Ah, that explains a lot! Thank you for the information, sami. Learned another thing about those Russians

[TranceAvia]

British Aerospace BAe 146 / Avro RJ Avroliner (combined)
Starts with 1001

Bombardier CRJ
Starts with 7001

Bombardier Dash 8
Starts with 001 (then jumps from 671 to 4001)

McDonnell Douglas DC10
Starts with 46500

McDonnell Douglas MD80/90 (combined)
Starts with 48000 (then jumps from 48099 to 49100)

McDonnell Douglas MD11
Starts with 48401

Saab 2000
Starts with 001

Saab 340
Starts with 001

Sukhoi Superjet
Starts with 95001

the dash 8 Q400 was the reason for the jump (Source: Bombardier Q400 chief test pilot)

[ICEcoldair881]

(Source: Bombardier Q400 chief test pilot)

daaaamn.....someone has connections.......

[Tujue]

Tupolev Tu154 starts at M001 till M009, then further as A010 (exception: protoype was KH1)

Little addition to Tupolev Tu-154:
It actually starts at 68M001 an jumps to 70A010, the number before the A indicates the year of production, in this case the first one is produced in 1968 and the first A produced in 1970.

Same is for the Tupolev Tu-124 starts at 0 35 00 01:
this first is the production year (0), the second is the factory (35 =#135 Kharkov-Karotish), then the batch number (00) and number in the batch (01).

[alexgv1]

From what I can perceive from this link:

BAe 146-100/RJ70 starts at 1001

BAe 146-200/RJ85 starts at 2001 (well actually 2008 according to that list   )

BAe 146-300/RJ100 starts at 3001

So the RJ starts off where the BAe 146 leaves for each series of the same size. This may be problematic if both production lines are open simultaneously as they both draw serial numbers from the same "pool". Maybe when the production lines change (i.e. BAe 146 line turns to RJ line) this wont be a problem.

Also their numbering doesn't seem to go up systematically. But that may be an over complication.

Also, from this link:

Concorde production models started from 201

[Sami]

btw. About Boeing's MSN numbers ... They are awfully messy and do not really start anywhere.

For example first B747-400 MSN is 23719 and first -100 series MSN is 19637.

Would you rather have them this way, or keep them in simple "first is #001" or "#23000" or "#19000" type thing, that it would be easily seen which plane from the line it is?

[Ilyushin]

I would prefer all airplanes starting at #0001.

[d2031k]

I would prefer all airplanes starting at #0001.

I would think as the aircraft only relate to AWS that this would be preferable too.

[Curse]

Yep.

I'm wondering why it's not done twice; the fast and easiest way, just start with some random data (in this case numbers #0001 etc.) and collect real data at the same time by the community or when you have time and no big work to do.

So new features could be released easiert and people who don't like this unrealism are mostly experts and could improve. So unrealistic to realistic would be changed from time to time but the feature as it is was available at the very beginning - and not after some very time consumpting data search that is at the end a nice thing, but most people here maybe never notice due to luck of this special aviation knowledge.

[Sami]

Curse, if you happen to see that this thread is already a year old, and the community did not help THAT much in data... But perhaps hopefully the blanks can be still filled.

(So it is of course easy to say that a lot of help is available and why are you not asking, but reality is different. ..in regards to the other thread few weeks ago)

[Curse]

You are fully right, sami. For myself I'm total overstrained with this request - most things I know about aviation are out of AWS or from Wikipedia etc. searches to AWS related things. So I think it's a more special and not-so-easy topic like "list how much people live in Bavaria, Germany, with over 10.000 people" - what is maybe a lot more work, but data is easily accessable for me.

This leads to what I wanted to say in the last post. Starting with unrealistic numbers and a small hint ingame maybe (am I right many people don't read the forum? especially frequently?) would wake up this one guy working at Boeing. He would see all the numbers are wrong and send you a PM with the right numbers. But at the moment he doesn't know such numbers exist or should exist in the feature.

Much words and I still can't help you with these numbers... :/

[d2031k]

Ilyushin IL-86 - Starts 001, 002, 003 for test aircraft and then jumps to

51483200002 - 51483200009 then jumps again
51483202010 - 51483202020 then skips to
51483203021 - 3030, then 51483203032 then skips
51483204031, 51483204033 - 51483204040 then up to
51483205041, 51483205044, 51483205047 then 51483205049
51483206050 - 51483206060, then up to
51483207061 - 51483207069, then
51483208071, 51483208072, 51483208074 - 51483208080 then
51483209081 - 51483209089, then
51483210090 - 51483210100, then
51483211101 - 51483211103

It's easier to look at the source!

(Source)

Armstrong Whitworth AW.650/670

Starts #6651 through to 6660 then skips
#6743 - #6806



The website itself has a fair few more on that aren't crossed off - http://www.rzjets.net/aircraft/

Do you want me to type them out or is the link sufficient?

[Sami]

Do you want me to type them out or is the link sufficient?

Good link, I can check them.