Alliance fleet commonallity for cheaper maintainance

[Jona L.]

you can count this as a feature request... so, here it goes:

in real life airlines maintain their planes in their alliance, to save money in order to buy the parts for their alliance, and so alliances in AWS might be able to offer this too?? that would make alliances more interesting, and useful! my point is, that it works in RL to keep maintainance cost low, and make a larger variety of planes/alliance possible. also it would make the game more realistic....
additional that would keep the alliance intern communication up, because you would have to discuss new orders with your partners, due to them having to pay more/less in case of new orders!

also you could try to make an alliance plane ordering system, so that 10 airlines buy/lease 2 aircraft each, and get the discount of large order, instead of ordering seperately, and don't get a discount/get less discount than from one big order!


thanks for thinking of this.... maybe for AWS 1.2...
good luck for your work (btw. is this, AWS, your main/only job, or are you having another job next to this? I couldn't even think of that, because this seems to very work-intense!)


kindly regards
Jona L.

[Sergey Goncharenko]

in real life airlines maintain their planes in their alliance, to save money in order to buy the parts for their alliance,

Who it has told to you ? )))
The real unions of airlines give nothing more, than conveniences to passengers of moving by any routes which operated different airlines. To airplanes it has no relation. )
In real airlines the size of expenses repair and maintenance for the flight validity of fleet depends by presence at airline of own technical base only, or favourable conditions for service of airplanes at other base.
Purchase and leasing airplanes depend by conditions of financial agreements between airline and bank (or other credit organisation) and the lessor.
It's finished. )

[Jona L.]

maybe not in alliance, but some airlines (e.g. Lufthansa) have maintenance contracts with smaller airlines, because it is cheaper for them letting it get done by LH or other big ones!!!
and in order not to overwork Sami, it could be better to make it in alliance, and not for each player?!!!
and the ordering system was only a spontaneous idea, not knowing of it existing in reality, and also, I don't know whether you get discounts on 7 year leasing in RL

cu

[Sergey Goncharenko]

In AWS everything is simplified.
Each airline by default has own staff of technicians (repair base). Certainly, it harms to realism, but the alternative variant while is not present.
Discounts - is a separate theme.

[Jona L.]

Discounts - is a separate theme.

thats what we agree so far, but the other points got to get discussed!!
but as no other ones give in their ideas, the disgussion will end in a dialogoue, and not in the intended polylogue.....

so guys, tell you point of view/ideas/etc.....
a little more enthusiasm!

cu

[Sergey Goncharenko]

First of all for realism it's need to divide service/repair/maintenance of airplanes and engines. Because airplanes and engines have absolutely different service cycles, different cost and different terms of repair.
The problem of discounts - is a small problem)
It is possible to discuss much. It is necessary to collect the data..... 

[Jona L.]

..... 

why so angry?? we were only talking here.... not wanting to upset!
yes, it is true, that it needs data for making this game perfect, but why don't calm down a little, and than think of a solution

great!


so, maybe this thread is unnecessary/on the way, to get too off topic!

cu, guys

[Dorito_25]

Hmm...I don't know about alliance airlines. Maybe it could be like that when the alliance has reached a certain level of "stars" or grading. Maybe when it becomes 5 stars it can be 10% cheaper if 10% or more of the aircraft in the alliance have a fleet commonality.

I just know that Qantas send their fleet to Singapore for maintenance lol - It's a lot cheaper for some reason. 

[Sergey Goncharenko]

It is not necessary to mix airplanes and Alliances. Alliances are created for other purposes. I've already told. First of all alliance airlines-members have the expanded possibilities to routeing networks. Financial operations between airlines are regulated by individual agreements.

[Sigma]

Who it has told to you ? )))
The real unions of airlines give nothing more, than conveniences to passengers of moving by any routes which operated different airlines. To airplanes it has no relation. )
In real airlines the size of expenses repair and maintenance for the flight validity of fleet depends by presence at airline of own technical base only, or favourable conditions for service of airplanes at other base.
Purchase and leasing airplanes depend by conditions of financial agreements between airline and bank (or other credit organisation) and the lessor.
It's finished. )

Alliances are absolutely not just limited to activities regarding customer convenience.  That's the difference between a simple bilateral codeshare agreement and an Alliance.

Specifically regarding maintenace, the entire alliance will work to single-source their parts.  They can significantly reduce their parts cost by using their size with suppliers to negotiate better pricing.  They also create common specifications on parts to decrease pricing.

In time they will undoubtedly do maintenance on one another's aircraft directly.  That's done on a limited scope now in particular examples, but it's not widespread.  But the airlines are working on it as it would be a huge cost savings.  Labor contracts and disagreements on standard maintenance protocols are the hold-ups.

In short, there's no maintenance labor savings as a result of being an Alliance, but there are significant maintenance part savings.  Since those commonality costs actually are separated already in the game, it would be possible to give a reduction in the "Fixed Costs / Month" portion of maintenance costs as a result of commonality throughout the entire Alliance without a savings on the Admin/Training portion.  But I'm not particularly advocating that as a feature since I don't particularly advocate cost savings in this game since the last thing we need is MORE profit.

[Sergey Goncharenko]

For savings expenses airplanes sevice/mainetatce it's not obligatory to join the Alliance.
For this purpose it's enough to conclude the special multilateral contract between repair/service base, the manufacturer of aiplanes and as the lessor.
In real Alliance "Sky Team" (for example) the purpose of airlines is another.  Read the Alliance manifesto. )
If to tell seriously, everything costs in AWS are minimum (except cost of some models airplanes), and tariffs (fares) are overestimated. )