CRJ200LR

[Maxair]

Ok so I figure i must be missing something with this aircraft and its payload. I just scheduled a route KISP-KAUS which is 1352nm. The outbound leg is restricted to 8pax while the return is unrestricted. So to compare I planned similar length sectors to see what would result. For instance, KISP-MMUN 1359nm 34pax restriction on the outbound and nil on the inbound. KISP-KSAT I had zero payload both directions. Seems like the further west i experiment with the greater the restriction. Is airport elevation and average temperature factored into the equation?

I should mention the aircraft configuration is standard 52Y with a stated range of 1520NM.

[gazzz0x2z]

Winds are tricky. Like IRL, they notably reduce the usable range of planes.

[LemonButt]

The range on a 200LR is 1840nm so you either misstated the aircraft you're using or you have additional restrictions (runway).  I'm not seeing any runways issues, so I assume it's the former--are you talking about the 200ER?

[gazzz0x2z]

The range on a 200LR is 1840nm so you either misstated the aircraft you're using or you have additional restrictions (runway).  I'm not seeing any runways issues, so I assume it's the former--are you talking about the 200ER?

nope, 200LR is 1520NM, you are confusing with a 900LR - 1840NM.

[LemonButt]

nope, 200LR is 1520NM, you are confusing with a 900LR - 1840NM.

Ah yes, that's my bad.  Pro tip for the OP--if you're flying 1000+nm with a CRJ100/200 you're gonna have a hard time making any money, even with increased prices.  I have/had hundreds of them in Speedy Recovery that I max out at 800nm (thus my confusion) and am in the process of transitioning to ERJ145s (50 seats + 1 cabin crew versus 52 seats + 2 cabin crew).  Additionally due to limited used availability, you won't be able to have a "blended" fleet of 200/200ER/200LR where they are interchangeable since the 200 can't do what the 200LR can in terms of range, but if you cap your routes at 800nm they can be swapped in/out without any issues (more important if you're doing 7 day scheduling).  On most routes over 1000nm worth flying you'll likely get penalized for "aircraft too small".  I also have 100+ CRJ900LR and the basic strategy is <800nm = CRJ200 and 800-1500nm = CRJ900LR (has 1840nm range which means you will always be able to fly 1500nm after the wind penalties).  So if those 1000nm+ routes don't have 80 pax to fill a CRJ900, it's likely not going to be economical for your 200s and if there is competition, you'll likely get penalized for aircraft too small.  If you've ever been on a CRJ200 you can understand why pax don't want to be stuck in one for 2+ hours

On the flip side, believe or not, I've learned there is a niche market where CRJ200s are superior as they have more thrust than alternatives for short runways.  I have a base in Manila with lots of short island runways to deal with and the CRJ200 can fly with no restrictions whereas the ERJ can't fly the routes at all.  Kinda neat

[Maxair]

Pro tip- CRJ200=1 cabin crew

[Maxair]

Winds are tricky. Like IRL, they notably reduce the usable range of planes.

Yes i realize that but how is it modelled in the game? 2 separate routes both heading southwest should have relatively similar winds and therefore payload.?

[gazzz0x2z]

Pro tip- CRJ200=1 cabin crew

pro tip : CRJ100= 3M$ less to purchase. considering the very small difference, the breakeven is 15-20 years for the CRJ200 to pay - i.e. too long to be worth against the CRJ100.

[sanabas]

Yes i realize that but how is it modelled in the game? 2 separate routes both heading southwest should have relatively similar winds and therefore payload.?

hover over the ? next to the flight time when trying to create the route. You'll see the wind, the distance flown, and the ESAD. It might be that one route is 50NM longer rather than 7NM longer when you use the airways rather than as the crow flies. It might be the average wind is a few knots stronger.

And if you look at the payload v range chart of a 200LR, you see a very steep dropoff at 1500NM. 8 pax is 1680NM. 34 pax is ~1580NM. 1710NM is too far to carry anything, so if the westbound leg is longer than that, you'll see route is unable to be flown at all, rather than being shown 0 one way and 80 pax the other or whatever it is.

[LemonButt]

Pro tip- CRJ200=1 cabin crew

IRL yes, but based on the modeling in the game for 1 per 50 pax it requires 2 in the game.

[Maxair]

Just one cabin crew according to the data sheet!

[Maxair]

pro tip : CRJ100= 3M$ less to purchase. considering the very small difference, the breakeven is 15-20 years for the CRJ200 to pay - i.e. too long to be worth against the CRJ100.

Yet only 12 -100s purchased in the game. The difference in fuel over the lifespan would pretty well offset that difference in price. Of course fuel is cheap now but it wont always be the case.

[gazzz0x2z]

Yet only 12 -100s purchased in the game. The difference in fuel over the lifespan would pretty well offset that difference in price. Of course fuel is cheap now but it wont always be the case.

It's a question of time(and quantity) to market, also. If a -100 costs 15M$ and a -200 18M$, you can afford 6 -100s for the price of 5 -200s. Hence growing faster. Hence taking a strategic advantage against opposition.

If it's later in the game, it's different. An established company will consider 50 times 18M$ as pocket money. Even there, the tiny fuel difference does not always warrants the RoI. But if the game begins in the late 90s? -100s are just the way to go - if they are still manufactured.

[LemonButt]

In Speedy Recovery the start date is 2015 and the CRJ100 was put out of production in the 90s.  The net result is the seeded aircraft at game start had all the CRJ100s being 20+ years old.  The last CRJ100 produced is 24.99 years old as I type this.

[Maxair]

It's a question of time(and quantity) to market, also. If a -100 costs 15M$ and a -200 18M$, you can afford 6 -100s for the price of 5 -200s. Hence growing faster. Hence taking a strategic advantage against opposition.

If it's later in the game, it's different. An established company will consider 50 times 18M$ as pocket money. Even there, the tiny fuel difference does not always warrants the RoI. But if the game begins in the late 90s? -100s are just the way to go - if they are still manufactured.

As is the case with most aircraft aside from the most common types. The difference in price when i bought the 200s was not 3 million and i got the launch customer discount so they were very cheap. About 10 million less than they currently are in my GW