Discussion on the 3 best planes in airwaysim.

[Cardinal]

Oh, the mighty 737-200Adv! She prints money 

The F.27 is my go-to worker bee. Nothing else can do what the F.27 Mk. 200 can do!

I'd also like to show some love to the MD-90. It's actually quite versatile. I dominated Japan with them a few games ago.

[tungstennedge]

I think the ultimate transition for fleet sin large bases has to be:

727>757>320

DC8>DC10>A330/A340

The final fleet would be a320 + 757f+ a330, I think most of the most profitable airline will always have this or a simular setup by the end of the world. Its impossible to finish most profitable without cargo, and this is the best way to accomodate all the best freighters with nearly the best pax planes.

[Tha_Ape]

I think the ultimate transition for fleet sin large bases has to be:

727>757>320

DC8>DC10>A330/A340

The final fleet would be a320 + 757f+ a330, I think most of the most profitable airline will always have this or a simular setup by the end of the world. Its impossible to finish most profitable without cargo, and this is the best way to accomodate all the best freighters with nearly the best pax planes.

Did A321 / 767 / 777 in SIN. All had cargo variants, very versatile.
Obviously, though, not every airline needs 2 VL types.

The 757PF is very good until game end, but can't bring anything else than cargo. If you need the fleet slot, better make a compromise. A321-F + 763-F it is. The A321-F works in 80% of the cases where you'd want a 757PF.

[tungstennedge]

I feel like the problem is the a321f cant replace the 757f well enough. Range is just a bit short, and payload eff is lower since its per ton fuel eff is not much better and its still uses 2 crew member, and charges routes fees and such. From many bases, you will need to serve hundreds of level 2 airports which will never really go to lvl 3, in the US alone there is usually multiple pages of cargo you need to serve with lvl 2. If you are based anywhere outside the US you will need 757f to reach this cargo, double stopping really has much lower margins that single stop, and the sheer number of a321f you would need to fly all the lvl2 airport cargo is somewhat unfeasible, say in the current LHR Im doing in gw1, I already have 300 757 sized freighters in London f in london flying exclusively cargo to lvl 2 airports, and the demand will more than double in the next 15 years, if this gameworld remotely follows gw2 in cargo demand.

There will be even more airports which upgrade to lvl 2 and need a flight. Anyways, I just dont think there is a realistic substitute for 757f, and cargo is too important to ignore all the lvl 2 cargo. The lvl 2 airport cargo market is LHR for example, is worth about 350-400million a week in the 1990's. sure, some airports will upgrade to lvl 3, but also lvl 1 airports will ug to lvl 2 opening new markets for 757 cargo. Also, I dont think it matters that its pax variant is useless by game ends, since the a330, and a320 covers so much of the market on its own. The only thing it lacks, is a good 8000nm+ range option, since the a340 is quite depricated by a games end, but I think that too is underated in most worlds since the a340 has killer belly cargo, can can make up for its inefficiencies there flying more belly cargo than say a dreamliner. just a few thousand kg of belly cargo will make up the inefficiency. a320 is nearly a perfect large fleet type, best small cargo plane, I think the 321NEO is a perfect pax plane, a330-900neo is also not much worse than a350/777x/787, especially the 777. I dont understand why so many people go 777 when they are almost never full anyway unless you have no competitor.

[Tha_Ape]

You tell wise things, but missed the point.

What has the A321-F that the 757PF doesn't have?

The A321. And the A320. The whole family, and one of the best. While even the larger 757-300 are already struggling to bring any money by 2020.

[DanDan]

What has the A321-F that the 757PF doesn't have?

well, it does cargo appx 25 years before the A320 series. and can do 3900nm range 35 years before the A320 series. its two different eras.

[Tha_Ape]

Dani, please...
It was about game end config.

[DanDan]

Dani, please...
It was about game end config.

oohhhhkkkkeeyyyy... maybe i didnt get that part of the conversation 

[Talentz]

DanDan Deal has a point. Maybe that end-game fleet is ideal for a pax only or pax (but hey I want some cargo too) airlines, but for a true cargo-only airline, the A320 family comes to late to be worth it or bother getting it. Might as well fly the 757 till they fall out of the skies (grounded 35yrs).

I get everyone wants to run everything. However as far as the Pax vs Cargo airline question goes, the two don't really go hand in hand and have different strategies and fleet plans to be overwhelmingly successful at their respective markets.


Talentz

[Tuckernut]

My personal favorites and most profitable ones:

1.  A321
2.  777 especially 777-300ER
3.  A330

For cargo:  777F and 747ERF

[stealy]

My personal favorites and most profitable ones:

1.  A321
2.  777 especially 777-300ER
3.  A330

For cargo:  777F and 747ERF

777 is great until competitions say hello. 747 is great without competitions and when fuel prices are low. Both of them are subpar aircraft in AWS in most situations.

[LemonButt]

The MD-11 used to be a dog, but with cargo and the addition of the MD-11F and MD-11C are game changers.  There really isn't a replacement for the MD-11C and makes thinner long haul routes with 200 pax + 40 tn cargo very viable/profitable whereas before they were very marginal.  If competition moves in on top of you, it's likely just cargo or just pax, so you still have at least one category that is profitable.  If you get hit with competition on the pax and cargo side, it's typically 2 flights which means your competition is spending twice as much to compete which is a losing strategy. The fact DC-10 and MD-11 are the same fleet type saves a lot of hassle also.

[gazzz0x2z]

Baade
Y40
VFW614

[DanDan]

Baade
Y40
VFW614

the first and the last at least look really cool!   

[gazzz0x2z]

the first and the last at least look really cool!   

but you're not gonna break even brokering them.

[DanDan]

but you're not gonna break even brokering them.

thats because you just never tried ordering 50 baade and reselling them!

[Tha_Ape]

thats because you just never tried ordering 50 baade and reselling them!

Find a buyer and you'll sell them
Even if it's just for a joke. I wasted billions by mistake, error of judgment, as gifts. Might as well have fun!

[Cornishman]

Hi all, I'm back after taking a bit of a break. Interesting topic - my humble opinion is that there is no such thing as "The 3 best planes in AirwaySim".  So much depends on what type of airline you are going to operate and from where in the world. I've had huge airlines in Europe and as good as it can get in north Africa and the "best" aircraft for each of those airlines would not be the same. (although nearly every airline could make good use of the 737 family from the late '60's right through to the end, therefore has to be "the best" aircraft imo)

By the way - Hi again Arthur, long time no chat... but I must challenge how you still maintain that 757s are hard to make money with after about yr 2020. (your quote above: "While even the larger 757-300 are already struggling to bring any money by 2020." )    I disagree... yes they become a bit less effective in relation to other newer planes IF you can find a better suitable replacement, but I have run a huge fleet ( 400+ ) of 757s right up to 2035 with great success on both cargo and pax routes that simply lacked any good modern replacement. (a situation that exists IRL also !).  Maybe the new A321XLR will be the true 757 replacement?

Jack