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[meiru]

I still see the strange behaviour with type-pax-distribution... I fly SFO-EWR at the same time with different types (ok, almost same time) ... but what I can see is, that larger aircraft get more pax... e.g. 320-> 55, 321-> 66 ... M83,M88,M90 -> all 30 ... on the other side I get the exact same amount for the M11 and 763 what I think is good... did you add a "bigger plane"-preference for the passengers?

[Dasha]

I haven't run into anything odd yet. It seems to be working fine for me.

[JumboShrimp]

I still see the strange behaviour with type-pax-distribution... I fly SFO-EWR at the same time with different types (ok, almost same time) ... but what I can see is, that larger aircraft get more pax... e.g. 320-> 55, 321-> 66 ... M83,M88,M90 -> all 30 ... on the other side I get the exact same amount for the M11 and 763 what I think is good... did you add a "bigger plane"-preference for the passengers?

Looking at your route, I am assuming that your RI is still on the low side.  With that, the system seems to work as it should.

I am guessing that when your RI gets to 70-100 range, your smaller aircraft will get full first, and than even the larger aircraft, since you are supply roughly matches demand...

[meiru]

the system seems to work as it should.

Can you explain me, why I should get less passengers when flying an 320 instead of an 321? Or even less with the M90 instead of 320 ??

RI is at 60 at the moment... but this is a bit against the airplane-family concept... 77 on 321 -> my thought: ok, then I could use an 320 -> result: I only get 59...

[meiru]

Extending the lease -> why can the lease price go up, when I extend the lease? let's say, I want to extend it by 1 month... why do I then have to pay 807k per month instead of 540k before? I mean, it's longer... normally the price is lower then...

[JumboShrimp]

Can you explain me, why I should get less passengers when flying an 320 instead of an 321? Or even less with the M90 instead of 320 ??

RI is at 60 at the moment... but this is a bit against the airplane-family concept... 77 on 321 -> my thought: ok, then I could use an 320 -> result: I only get 59...

Larger A321 size aircraft is more appropriate aircraft for the route than A320.  Since A320 is smaller than appropriate, it gains no frequency advantage on A321.

When aircraft has no frequency advantage, passengers are allocated purely by capacity. 

[NorgeFly]

Extending the lease -> why can the lease price go up, when I extend the lease? let's say, I want to extend it by 1 month... why do I then have to pay 807k per month instead of 540k before? I mean, it's longer... normally the price is lower then...

This is not new. If you renew or take a new lease for a short term, then the lease cost will be higher. Extending the lease for a long term will usually result in lower fees.

[meiru]

This is not new. If you renew or take a new lease for a short term, then the lease cost will be higher. Extending the lease for a long term will usually result in lower fees.

I'm talking about "extending" the lease... so, it's still running for 7 years and I want to extend it to 7 years and 3 months -> result: much higher price than before

[NorgeFly]

I'm talking about "extending" the lease... so, it's still running for 7 years and I want to extend it to 7 years and 3 months -> result: much higher price than before

Ok I see your point, that is a bit weird. But why would you want to make such a small adjustment so far in advance?

[meiru]

Larger A321 size aircraft is more appropriate aircraft for the route than A320.  Since A320 is smaller than appropriate, it gains no frequency advantage on A321.

When aircraft has no frequency advantage, passengers are allocated purely by capacity. 

ok, but... you know... treat A320, M90 and 737 differently on these routes (and they are flown with these planes in reality) gives some aircrafts an advantage over others. I know, it's good to do that generally, but the types that are direct competitors shouldn't get different penalty values.

[meiru]

Ok I see your point, that is a bit weird. But why would you want to make such a small adjustment so far in advance?

I use this when I buy new jets... then I know when the arrive and I ajust the leasings of the older ones... (or because I don't want to pay for d-checks   but fly the jet until this happens)

[NorgeFly]

I use this when I buy new jets... then I know when the arrive and I ajust the leasings of the older ones... (or because I don't want to pay for d-checks   but fly the jet until this happens)

Ok I understand. I do it slightly differently, I set the leases to manual renew and then before the expire extend them by a few months if I need to. That way the high fees are only paid for a short while.

But we're drifting off thread topic now 

[JumboShrimp]

ok, but... you know... treat A320, M90 and 737 differently on these routes (and they are flown with these planes in reality) gives some aircrafts an advantage over others. I know, it's good to do that generally, but the types that are direct competitors shouldn't get different penalty values.

First, your SFO-EWR route has certain length and calls for certain kind of aircraft.  Shorter route would call for different (smaller) aircraft.

As far as penalties, there are no penalties as far as I can tell.  Only varying degrees of frequency bonus (or no bonus).

[OldPilot]

Someone should check into the HNL Routes. Seems to be an Issue there with Super Large amounts a PAX
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https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Routes/Planning/PHNL/PHKO/
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Routes/Planning/PHNL/PHOG/

[meiru]

First, your SFO-EWR route has certain length and calls for certain kind of aircraft.  Shorter route would call for different (smaller) aircraft.

As far as penalties, there are no penalties as far as I can tell.  Only varying degrees of frequency bonus (or no bonus).

absolutly correct! ... but A320, M90 and 737 (the 700) are too close to get different results... that's what I say !

[JumboShrimp]

absolutly correct! ... but A320, M90 and 737 (the 700) are too close to get different results... that's what I say !

You have a bunch of them departing at the same time, which is going to screw things up....
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Routes/Planning/KSFO/KEWR

[meiru]

You have a bunch of them departing at the same time, which is going to screw things up....
https://www.airwaysim.com/game/Routes/Planning/KSFO/KEWR

Not at all... if I do this with other types, they get the same amount of passengers. E.g. ATR-72 and MD90 on shorter routes... both got exactely the same amount of passengers.

And by the way... I do this to eliminate all other factors except the aircraft type. Like this I can check if the type is making any difference and it does... of course, that's good... but it's too much I'd say.

[JumboShrimp]

Not at all... if I do this with other types, they get the same amount of passengers. E.g. ATR-72 and MD90 on shorter routes... both got exactely the same amount of passengers.

And by the way... I do this to eliminate all other factors except the aircraft type. Like this I can check if the type is making any difference and it does... of course, that's good... but it's too much I'd say.

But the time of day check is still disabled, as far as I know.  Spacing between the flights check is enabled.

My experience with inadequate spacing between flights is that all bets are off, the results will be screwy.

[Glob-Al]

I'm not sure the tech-stop penalty is high enough / working as it should. On PVG > DUB I have a 772 and a tech-stopping 737. The 772 is claiming an average of 137 passengers, the 737 gets 107 (for a nice 85%+ load factor). That implies to me (although obviously I can't test this by myself) that if one airline flew a 772 and another 2x 737 with tech stops, the airline flying the 772 would get killed.

Speaking of which, I'm a bit concerned that a lot of the things that we want to test here require competition on routes to see how they work properly. But with only 75 airlines in the whole world I'm not sure how much of that we're getting?? If anyone wants to shift over to PVG and run some experiments happy to work with you to see how it turns out.

[ARASKA]

Also, for any new actual game worlds the start money will be increased. This allows the airlines to run some losses while they build RI/CI.

This won't necessarily fix my problem with the new system...