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[Seattle]

Hey there I'll gladly help anyone here who needs help.... you can PM me or you can post here and I am sure many of teh other experienced players can help you to!

[Obeewan]

I've played two other Airline Simulation games and with both games long-haul flights were more costly than they were profitable. 

I am wondering, as I don't want to make a mistake early-on therefore crippling me for the rest of the game, if this is the same case with AirwaySim?  I realize that long-haul routes are probably not a great idea for early game play but once I begin to build up a fleet where I can sacrifice the many flight hours that long-haul flights require should I focus more on long-haul or short domestic flights?

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

-Elite Airlines-

[Unbornio]

Long-haul here is profitable alright. Sometimes better than regional/domestic routes.  I started with routes that were 2,400-2,900 NM long because on like a 300-seater that's enough to cover a day.

[Seattle]

Excellent question and the answer to that is No!

Unlike in AM, AE, and other such sims (yes, you are allowed to mention them), long haul routes are mainly non-profitable because of high maintainance costs, no F/C demand, too little demand, and ridiculeasly small prices!

In AWS, you have a general set amount of pax that do go up and down ( generally up). You also have F/C, which do generate quite a bit more revenue then a typically all Y flight would..... and maintainance is not out of perportion, so you can make a healthy, larger profti (which is realistic) when compared to the other sims.

I do not suggest you start out right off the bat with a LH aircraft, but you will probably make money  

Remember, try to choose a/c's with good fuel economy and ones that arent over 15-17 years old or have a maintainance % of lower than 75-70% for the begining of the game.  


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and the only things that can really kill you on longhual is when the routes get so overcrowded that you cant even make money, or oil prices shoot through the roof. Also, dont be alarmed by terrible load factors -as they will rise and 50-65% is normal - albeit a bit low, while 75% is dead on average  

[Talentz]

Since seattle is *cough* busy *cough* I'll take over  

I've played two other Airline Simulation games and with both games long-haul flights were more costly than they were profitable.

I've played those too  

I am wondering, as I don't want to make a mistake early-on therefore crippling me for the rest of the game, if this is the same case with AirwaySim?

Nope. Long haul will always be more profitable then short haul. In fact, short haul international brings in more revenue then medium ranged domestic  

So, its safe to say the biggest and the most profitable airlines will be ones that are based in heavy international airports. AMS, LHR, CDG ect.

This has been proven through the past 3 betas.

But remember, ASW is more realistic then other games. If the route xxx to xxx shows 100 pax a day. Dont go putting an A333 on the route thinking it will make money.. Make sure when you go into the route planning and look up city pairs, theres demand for those big widebodies  


Hope this helps

-Talentz


Edit: Awww sea.. bleh.. were'd you come from!! ^_^

[Seattle]

Long-haul here is profitable alright. Sometimes better than regional/domestic routes.  I started with routes that were 2,400-2,900 NM long because on like a 300-seater that's enough to cover a day.

Sometimes? I think you mean almost always will make more proft (unless you counting all the profits of a route including all airacts on the route.

[Seattle]

Edit: Awww sea.. bleh.. were'd you come from!! ^_^

Tee Hee 

[Sami]

The big bucks are in longhaul first and business class travel!    But it's very expensive to set it all up, a big and new(ish) plane, premium seat config etc .. not until you have $5-10mil at your account.

Domestic Y class is then the 'worst of all' in terms of ticket revenue. Of course depending on the flight distances and so on.

[Unbornio]

Sometimes? I think you mean almost always will make more proft (unless you counting all the profits of a route including all airacts on the route.

I find my regional 747s highly profitable. 

[Monk Xion]

I find my regional 747s highly profitable. 

Im thinking about ordering some for inter- Hawiian routes 

No, I wont.  I'm waiting for the B737-700/-800 to come out. Better fuel economy and more pax than my Mercures.

Plus, I can do what Aloha did with them. Send them to west coast destinations.