Guam

[N54E90]

What is the rule with respect to Guam and Saipan? I am based in Puerto Rico but cannot open a hub at Guam. Guam is a U.S. territory.

[coopdogyo]

I thought sami made it possible for you to open up a hub on the us mainland if you were based in a territory. Maybe it isn't possible to open another base in another us territory?

[Sigma]

Yeah, thought that had been reported and fixed.

Try reporting it again in the Bug Forum

[Zombie Slayer]

I reported it back in ATB. I was GUM based, and after reporting it I was able to open a base in the US, but still not in SPN, ROR, anywhere in PR or the USVI. I reported it again saying that the above mentioned areas should be able to be opened as bases during MT2, but I did not get a reply that time.

Don

[Sami]

If you are based in one of the "territories" I believe you don't have then free and full access to the mainland, but vice-versa you do. ...but this isn't confirmed.

[Zombie Slayer]

Sami,

I will try to dig up some information on this. I wonder if some information on business rights in the territories would be available in the Law Library at my college......I will take a look and let you know if I find anything!

Don

[Sami]

(mainly interested on the freedoms of air, 7-8-9, https://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,5424.msg132114.html#msg132114 )

[ICEcoldair881]

What is the rule with respect to Guam and Saipan? I am based in Puerto Rico but cannot open a hub at Guam. Guam is a U.S. territory.

actually according to wiki Guam is it's own country but it's almost like a "sovereign state" of the US. So in fact, even though air freedom between Guam and the mainland are open, between another territory I don't think is allowed.

Cheers,
ICEcold

[Sigma]

actually according to wiki Guam is it's own country but it's almost like a "sovereign state" of the US. So in fact, even though air freedom between Guam and the mainland are open, between another territory I don't think is allowed.

Cheers,
ICEcold

Having lived on Guam (and Puerto Rico as well) I can tell you that Guam is in absolutely no way "its own country".  It does have a government, as any unified body does, but it isn't a country by any stretch of the imagination.  It is a wholly-owned territory of the federal government United States, is represented within the US Legislature and votes for US President.  In fact, it's actually much less of a "country" than any US State or even most US Territories could claim to be, as its government is significantly more powerless as it is not an incorporated commonwealth and it relies on the US federal government for every single thing.

I guarantee you that any Freedoms of the Air that apply within the United States contiguous borders also apply to Guam.  The government of Guam has zero ability to write legislation that would impose anything different than US federal power and is completely subject to US federal laws and regulations with absolutely no power to create legislation not to that effect.

Puerto Rico, on the other hand, as a commonwealth, has significantly more independent powers.  But even there the US Congress passes virtually all legislation regarding the island including that of both transportation and commerce-related activities, which Freedoms of the Air would fall under.

Nowhere within the language of any widespread international agreement regarding Freedoms of the air could I find any reference to a political unit smaller than a "sovereign nation".  A "territory", "state", "commonwealth", "insular territory", whatever, are all covered under the guise of "sovereign nation"  Since the entire point of the word "sovereign" is just that -- to make it clear that they are distinguishing the supreme governmental authority over that area.  Any subordinate pseudo-political organization that may exist at some level is moot.

[GEnx]

Amen.

[ICEcoldair881]

Having lived on Guam (and Puerto Rico as well) I can tell you that Guam is in absolutely no way "its own country".  It does have a government, as any unified body does, but it isn't a country by any stretch of the imagination.  It is a wholly-owned territory of the federal government United States, is represented within the US Legislature and votes for US President.  In fact, it's actually much less of a "country" than any US State or even most US Territories could claim to be, as its government is significantly more powerless as it is not an incorporated commonwealth and it relies on the US federal government for every single thing.

I guarantee you that any Freedoms of the Air that apply within the United States contiguous borders also apply to Guam.  The government of Guam has zero ability to write legislation that would impose anything different than US federal power and is completely subject to US federal laws and regulations with absolutely no power to create legislation not to that effect.

Puerto Rico, on the other hand, as a commonwealth, has significantly more independent powers.  But even there the US Congress passes virtually all legislation regarding the island including that of both transportation and commerce-related activities, which Freedoms of the Air would fall under.

Nowhere within the language of any widespread international agreement regarding Freedoms of the air could I find any reference to a political unit smaller than a "sovereign nation".  A "territory", "state", "commonwealth", "insular territory", whatever, are all covered under the guise of "sovereign nation"  Since the entire point of the word "sovereign" is just that -- to make it clear that they are distinguishing the supreme governmental authority over that area.  Any subordinate pseudo-political organization that may exist at some level is moot.

:O figured that Sigma would come in and shape me up with my horrid description. I was loosely using "own country" and used "sovereign state" more to describe the situation there.

[Zombie Slayer]

Looked and couldnt find much info in the 45 minutes I had between classes today, but I think Sigma just about nailed it. I assume that the USVI fall in the same boat. I will have more time between classes on Wednesday and will again look for info.

Don

[N54E90]

Continental Micronesia is a Delaware corporation - https://delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/GINameSearch.jsp (search Continental Micronesia).

Also, Continental and Continental Micronesia will be operating under a single operating certificate prior to the merger of United and Continental. - http://atwonline.com/international-aviation-regulation/news/united-transition-continental-operating-certificate-part-merg